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On 1/17/04 8:27 AM, in article ,
"Dianne Lewandowski" wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

AND - the school has no business teaching manners - that is the parents job.

Oh, so while your child is in school, it's okay to say nasty things,
bump people out of line, crumple up your neighbors paper, et al. These
are all "manners". I would hope that every school across the country is
telling children this is wrong-headed behavior.

Dianne


First - that is discipline, something sadly lacking in 90% of the schools.
That means that the teacher disciplines the disruptive or destructive
student. BUT the school is not supposed to take over the teaching basic
social skills from the parents. I have very firm views about the role of
the school; it is not supposed to subvert the parents.

BTW it also means if little Sally has to write 100 times, I will not cut in
line, the parent backs up the teacher.


Cheryl

On 1/17/04 8:55 AM, in article N9bOb.85119$8H.121589@attbi_s03, "mickey"
wrote:

Hi Cheryl!

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

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Exactly!
I have better things to do.
And tell let me guess your original "Boston" locale - inside 128, Newton
Wellesley area perhaps?

Spot on, Cheryl! I really miss our neighbors in the duplex we both
rented, but that's about it!
Gee, can you tell I am a Native New Englander or what! And you shopped at
Chestnut Hill Plaza right....
Cheryl

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I won't name names, but several local places have dress codes. I don't
disagree with the no jeans rule, but requiring formal wear.... Please.


What do you mean by formal wear? Black tie?

Best wishes,
Ericka

Cheryl Isaak wrote:


An earlier comment about screeching sopranos made me think about my taste in
"pop" singers - 80% male and those women I do really enjoy tend to have
"deeper" voices. (also known as whiskey voiced)


Even Mozart wasn't all that fond of sopranos (or
flutes), though he wrote gorgeous music for them. Not that
I'd like to have them around again, but I've always wondered
what it sounded like when many of these roles were sung by
castrati.

Best wishes,
Ericka

On 1/17/04 11:37 AM, in article , "Ericka
Kammerer" wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I won't name names, but several local places have dress codes. I don't
disagree with the no jeans rule, but requiring formal wear.... Please.


What do you mean by formal wear? Black tie?

Best wishes,
Ericka

Yes - black tie, long gowns, tuxes....

Cheryl

On 1/17/04 11:40 AM, in article , "Ericka
Kammerer" wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:


An earlier comment about screeching sopranos made me think about my taste in
"pop" singers - 80% male and those women I do really enjoy tend to have
"deeper" voices. (also known as whiskey voiced)


Even Mozart wasn't all that fond of sopranos (or
flutes), though he wrote gorgeous music for them. Not that
I'd like to have them around again, but I've always wondered
what it sounded like when many of these roles were sung by
castrati.

Hmm- I wonder.... I keep thinking about the sound of a young boy's voice -
like the ones in the Vienna Boys Choir. Slightly less unpleasant to me, but
still grates.
Cheryl

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

I suspect that "opera" rose to the top because it is the least accessible to
the "lay" person.

Which is interesting because it was the popular music of it's heyday.
Everyone was singing it on the street.

Yes. So, what has happened to our culture that only a small percentage
think it's lovely and the remainder think it's horrible? Not pointing a
finger, just asking a question.

When husband and I were hosts on PCLink (the forerunner of AOL), our
forum was MIDI music. During this period, a lot of electronic music was
being used in commercials, movies, television, and a lot of highly
trained musicians were being replaced. There was great fear, for
awhile. But eventually that all settled down. MIDI is still used, but
not for everything.

During this period, computer users were purchasing equipment for their
computers that made horrible sounds. We used high-end Roland gear which
closely emulated real instruments. There was a big fight about which
device was better. The vast majority thought one particular cheap
device was the ultimate, when in fact a violin sounded like a duck
rolled over by a train. But you couldn't convince the buying public.

Most of this had to do with cost. And a dumming down of our "ears".
Now, even the Roland equipment is not exactly realistic, but at least
gives a close approximation and you could use your imagination to fill
in the missing quality.

MAC users got on board this polarized infighting. Their built-in MIDI
was awful as well.

As hosts, we always understood why someone would choose a $150 dollar
piece of equipment rather than a $500 or $800 one. Obviously, you do
what you can afford. But to stand there and say the cheaper one was
just as good or better . . . well, that defied logic.

So back to the original question: why do we justify things. Gets
complicated. If ordinary man flocked to see Greek tragedies, went to
the theatre for Shakespeare, flocked by the hundreds to hear Handle, and
sang opera in the streets, what is that saying about us as a culture?

Dianne

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

AND - the school has no business teaching manners - that is the parents job.

Dianne retorted:

Oh, so while your child is in school, it's okay to say nasty things,
bump people out of line, crumple up your neighbors paper, et al. These
are all "manners". I would hope that every school across the country is
telling children this is wrong-headed behavior.

And Cheryl continued:

First - that is discipline, something sadly lacking in 90% of the schools.
That means that the teacher disciplines the disruptive or destructive
student.

Discipline is a reaction to a lack of manners. First, you teach that
bumping someone out of line is poor civil manners. If you insist on
being uncivilized and not using good manners, then you get disciplined.
I think you believe that manners are a set of hoity, toity etiquette
rules, like the bread and butter knife must be placed just so on a
plate. In reality, manners are also day-to-day civility. How we treat
one another. Acceptable behavior so that we grease the cogs of the
wheels that turns society. The simple "thank you's", "may I", "Would
you mind if" and not driving inches from the guy in front of you.

I would hope that schools are setting these examples. And I would hope
that every parent in America is setting this tone. One can dream.

Dianne

Ordinary man also went to the coliseum to see fights between men and animals
and chariot races, and fought in the crusades, and watched jousting contest,
so what's your point?
Lucille

So back to the original question: why do we justify things. Gets
complicated. If ordinary man flocked to see Greek tragedies, went to
the theatre for Shakespeare, flocked by the hundreds to hear Handle, and
sang opera in the streets, what is that saying about us as a culture?

Dianne

I forgot to add, my favorite music is classical and I adore what you call
culture, so it's not that I don't understand why you would try to promote
it, but one needs to remember: Different strokes for different folks.
There really should be room in one's world for "choice."

"Lucille" wrote in message
...

Ordinary man also went to the coliseum to see fights between men and
animals
and chariot races, and fought in the crusades, and watched jousting
contest,
so what's your point?
Lucille

So back to the original question: why do we justify things. Gets
complicated. If ordinary man flocked to see Greek tragedies, went to
the theatre for Shakespeare, flocked by the hundreds to hear Handle, and
sang opera in the streets, what is that saying about us as a culture?

Dianne