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I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of
it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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This missive was recently discussed on another list I'm on, and not terribly
well-received. Maybe I'm too nice, or too dense or something, but I think MOST of her points were valid in at least her own context. Is it correct for everyone? (Buyer or seller) No, probably not. But I certainly related to her comments about endless scroll with the same beads over and over again (I still shop for beads, too), and I think her remarks about sticking what works for you are well-intentioned, too. I also liked her "hints" about color and design. I don't know about the other beadmakers, but there are times when my inner muse is napping and I'd LOVE to have some buyers peering over my shoulder telling me what they'd like to see next, or to see more of. Some folks on that other list bristled at feeling like they were being told what to do. All I can say is, the best way to make sales is to listen to your potential customers. Without them, you don't have a business. -- KarenK www.desertdreameraz.com Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/id=62631780&ssPageName=L2 Justbeads: http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=DesertDreamer "meijhana" wrote in message ... I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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That's kinda what I got the feeling of. But I didn't get the feeling so
much of "opinion" but of "NEGATIVITY". I wouldn't mind something like a page opened up, where people could post a "I would like to see..." -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:ymbNb.13125$Ar1.5962@fed1read04... This missive was recently discussed on another list I'm on, and not terribly well-received. Maybe I'm too nice, or too dense or something, but I think MOST of her points were valid in at least her own context. Is it correct for everyone? (Buyer or seller) No, probably not. But I certainly related to her comments about endless scroll with the same beads over and over again (I still shop for beads, too), and I think her remarks about sticking what works for you are well-intentioned, too. I also liked her "hints" about color and design. I don't know about the other beadmakers, but there are times when my inner muse is napping and I'd LOVE to have some buyers peering over my shoulder telling me what they'd like to see next, or to see more of. Some folks on that other list bristled at feeling like they were being told what to do. All I can say is, the best way to make sales is to listen to your potential customers. Without them, you don't have a business. -- KarenK www.desertdreameraz.com Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/id=62631780&ssPageName=L2 Justbeads: http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=DesertDreamer "meijhana" wrote in message ... I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:54:27 -0800, "meijhana"
wrote: http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! You're right, she does have *some* valid points. While I was reading her diatribe, I started thinking about a few of the successful eBay lampworkers I know (I don't pretend to know them all) and those pretty much follow what Diane has put forth, excluding the price bit. I don't think that lampwork artists should hold back just because their beads are in demand and get high bids. I say enjoy it while it lasts and may it last a long time! The artist is obviously doing something right though I hope that the artist also remembers the jewelry maker who really can't make jewelry from those high priced beads unless the jeweler is lucky enough to get into a high-end gallery. Whatever, that's not necessarily the bead artists' problem, is it? I don't know if I have trouble reading for comprehension but did she admit to shilling???? !!! I don't think that's a brilliant move on her part but so be it. You know there's a couple of things I've learned working in retailing banking and that's to "kill them with kindness". I just don't see the need to name names but then again I don't know her story and I'm not exactly sure I want to based on that alone. If I hadn't looked at her jewelry before reading, I'd probably write her off. Never the less, she is a jewelry artist with something to say. She apparently respects Kalera and Corina, she can't be all bad. g -- Margie http://snurl.com/2u8t |
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Seems to me she has some complaints with certain people and should take it
up with them. It is a long (I didn't read it all) and negative rant. While she has a point about posting in categories that are not wholly appropriate, it happens all the time on Ebay. I did a search under movies for "glass" and got a lot of hits for people selling glass chess sets (like in the XMen movie). It comes with the territory. -- There are no mistakes, only unexplored techniques "meijhana" wrote in message ... That's kinda what I got the feeling of. But I didn't get the feeling so much of "opinion" but of "NEGATIVITY". I wouldn't mind something like a page opened up, where people could post a "I would like to see..." -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:ymbNb.13125$Ar1.5962@fed1read04... This missive was recently discussed on another list I'm on, and not terribly well-received. Maybe I'm too nice, or too dense or something, but I think MOST of her points were valid in at least her own context. Is it correct for everyone? (Buyer or seller) No, probably not. But I certainly related to her comments about endless scroll with the same beads over and over again (I still shop for beads, too), and I think her remarks about sticking what works for you are well-intentioned, too. I also liked her "hints" about color and design. I don't know about the other beadmakers, but there are times when my inner muse is napping and I'd LOVE to have some buyers peering over my shoulder telling me what they'd like to see next, or to see more of. Some folks on that other list bristled at feeling like they were being told what to do. All I can say is, the best way to make sales is to listen to your potential customers. Without them, you don't have a business. -- KarenK www.desertdreameraz.com Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/id=62631780&ssPageName=L2 Justbeads: http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=DesertDreamer "meijhana" wrote in message ... I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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Techincally isnt shilling bidding to get the price up with the owners
knowlege and encouragement? A cooperative effort. What shes doing is just bidding on stuff to get the price up, but not for her benefit, just for the sellers. Im not defending her. It seems like shes playing a silly game, and it wouldnt bother me if she got stuck with some of those sets she doesnt care for. hmm.. no... on second thought Id rather see those beads go for a good price to someone who would treasure them instead. Diana -- Queen of FAQs Royal Peace Maker http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "vj" wrote in message ... vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from MargieK : ]I don't know if I have trouble reading for comprehension but did she ]admit to shilling???? !!! I don't think that's a brilliant move on ]her part but so be it. she did, and it would serve her right if it backfired on her. ----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books) http://www.booksnbytes.com (Jewelry) http://www.vickijean.com newest creations: http://www.vickijean.com/newest.html ----------- The measure of the menace of a man is not what hardware he carries, but what ideas he believes.-- Jeff Jordan |
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I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of
it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. I responded the same way, Mary. She does have some valid points, but her style of making them is rather sharp!! Sarajane Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery http://www.polyclay.com |
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Actually, I thought this article with her requests was mostly right on
target. A lot of these suggestions are just smart business. I'll discuss them one by one - Searching in the Handmade Lampwork category on ebay - Searching the term "lampwork beads kiln annealed" is too limiting in my opinion. I just search "annealed" in that category, and get almost all artist beads. But it is a good idea for beadmakers to include the keywords kiln annealed, lampwork, glass, and beads in their auction descriptions. If your beads are not kiln annealed, though, don't include that. And there are some lampworkers who are listing tools and such and forgetting to remove the keywords that don't pertain to the listing. So when I search for annealed, I still get some tools, etc. in the results, and that's annoying. I totally agree with the thought about NOT putting jewelry in the Handmade Lampwork category. (Or metal beads, or Czech pressed glass, etc.) It may be made out of lampwork, but the subcategory is Loose Beads. There is another section for jewelry, and people that make jewelry really should use that category. The handmade lampwork category has way too many listings to have to house jewelry as well, IMO. Plus, it is against ebay rules to list in inappropriate categories. As for the dichro cabochons - well there is no other place to list fused glass pieces that don't have holes - i.e. beads, so I am not sure how to solve that problem. I thought it was mean of her to mention a specific artist when suggesting the spacing out of items, but I do see her point about that. She's looking at things from a buyer's perspective. I also understand the suggestion to stick with what sells, but on the other hand, we are artists, so we do like to branch out from time to time. And I completely agree with offering your best beads to the buyers. (Unless you specifically mark them as seconds, or wonkies, like some famous beadmakers do). There are sooooo many listings on ebay. And (I know this is not going to make me popular) there are a lot of beads listed that are not very well done. I admit that I am very critical of what I see. But if the beads aren't technically good, they will not sell for much anyway. There are a lot of lampworkers frustrated with ebay right now, but what a lot of people just don't get is that sometimes it's not their presentation, their prices, their shipping costs or their auction terms - it's the BEADS. Look inward. Perfect what you are doing. There's so much competition. It's not like several years ago when there weren't very many lampworkers, and lampwork beads were selling really well, no matter what. Now, the stakes are higher, the quality is getting better. We, as artists, need to constantly get better at what we do to stay in the game. Mishapen, pointy-holed, dirty beads just don't cut it any more. Buyers are looking for higher quality now, because they have more choices than ever before. The stuff at the end about colors and themes is right on. If you're in business to sell your artwork, you do need to keep up with the market's demands when it comes to color, theme, shape, size and style. Artistic expression *is* important. But let's face it - if you're selling your work on ebay, you're doing it to make money, so if you're not paying any attention to market research, and you don't sell your beads, you don't have any reason to complain about it. Keep in mind that her article is form the point of view of a jewelry artist who buys beads. We beadmakers would do well to heed some or all of her advice. My opinions, of course, YMMV and all that. Flame on! -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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Oh, me too! Sometimes I just have too many colors to choose from and need a
little artistic nudge. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net I also liked her "hints" about color and design. I don't know about the other beadmakers, but there are times when my inner muse is napping and I'd LOVE to have some buyers peering over my shoulder telling me what they'd like to see next, or to see more of. |
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I didn't get a negative vibe at all. She's a smart businesswoman, and her
points seemed right on. Firm, yes - but those things really need to be said, and I think sometimes people are afraid to say them for fear of being though "not nice". The art business world is often not nice, but we need to pay attention as artists, because often we just really want to do our own thing, and then we complain when it's not received well in the market. Hell, if I didn't need to make money doing this, I would do whatever I wanted all the time, artistically. But I do, so I need to listen to the buyers. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net That's kinda what I got the feeling of. But I didn't get the feeling so much of "opinion" but of "NEGATIVITY". I wouldn't mind something like a page opened up, where people could post a "I would like to see..." -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:ymbNb.13125$Ar1.5962@fed1read04... This missive was recently discussed on another list I'm on, and not terribly well-received. Maybe I'm too nice, or too dense or something, but I think MOST of her points were valid in at least her own context. Is it correct for everyone? (Buyer or seller) No, probably not. But I certainly related to her comments about endless scroll with the same beads over and over again (I still shop for beads, too), and I think her remarks about sticking what works for you are well-intentioned, too. I also liked her "hints" about color and design. I don't know about the other beadmakers, but there are times when my inner muse is napping and I'd LOVE to have some buyers peering over my shoulder telling me what they'd like to see next, or to see more of. Some folks on that other list bristled at feeling like they were being told what to do. All I can say is, the best way to make sales is to listen to your potential customers. Without them, you don't have a business. -- KarenK www.desertdreameraz.com Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/id=62631780&ssPageName=L2 Justbeads: http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=DesertDreamer "meijhana" wrote in message ... I ran across this site, and although I like some of what she posted, some of it, I just gritted my teeth...and *I* don't make beads yet. http://www.spiritartworks.com/view/?pageID=133618 I am not posting it for people to argue with her, but to discuss the points that she brought up. I think a *LOT* of the items are valid! Mary -- Joy multiplies when it is shared among friends, but grief diminishes with every division. That is life. Drizzt Do'Urden (Exile - R.A. Salvatore) ================ MeijhanaDesigns - Unique Earrings and More! http://www.meijhanadesigns.com |
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