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Old June 29th 07, 05:01 PM posted to alt.antiques,rec.crafts.beads,rec.crafts.jewelry,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.hongkong
dzidzi888
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Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

Myths and Legends of Dzi Beads

The history of the mysterious Dzi Beads is filled with mythological
and legendary stories. The following is a list of commonly believed
Tibetan Dzi bead legends:

(1) Dzi beads are the weapons of the Asura: An Asura belongs to one of
the six classes of living beings. They are opponents to Sakyamuni
Buddha and do not listen to the Buddha's words. Therefore they are
considered to be non-godlike, non-divine and non-human entities. They
use Dzi beads as their weapons.

(2) Plankton from the ancient seas: In the original form, the Dzi
beads were like mollusks and conches with a fleshy body protected by a
shell. They could move about freely. After the Himalayan Mountains
arose from the shifting of tectonic plates, no more seas existed in
the region. The plankton died and their shells subsequently become Dzi
beads.

(3) Dzi Bead are precious jewels of the demi-gods: Tibetans say that
Dzi beads are the precious jewels of the demi-gods who discard the
blemished ones upon the human world. This explains why no one ever
finds a perfect dzi bead.

(4) Painted stones from nearby India: A couple who lived in the
Himalayan Mountains painted designs onto a unique kind of Indian
stone. Since the skill required to paint the stone was very difficult
to imitate and kept within the family, the skill was lost after they
passed away.

(5) Dzi beads originated from the Dzi stream: Legend has it that there
were Dzi beads flowing continuously like a stream from a mountain near
Rutog in Ngari. One day, a wicked woman with the "evil eye" conjured
towards the stream, from that day onwards, no Dzi beads were ever
discovered from the stream.

(6) Meteorites from outer space: Meteorites fell from outer space onto
the fields. These were picked up and used by yogis in their practices.
After the yogic practitioners' refinement, they became Dzi beads.

(7) Dzi beads are the magic beads cast by Vajravahari Buddha (Tibetan:
Dorje Phamo): During those early years when Tibet was overwhelmed by
severe epidemic, Tibetans were plunged into an abyss of misery and
they led a very hard life. Fortunately, the compassionate Vajravahari
Buddha came to relieve them by dropping magical Dzi beads from the
sky. Anyone predestined to obtain them would be relieved from disease,
calamities and bad luck.

(8) Snake-like living things: Dzi beads are living things that can
move about like snakes. When they are found and touched by human
hands, they stop moving and turn into a string of Dzi beads.

(9) Celestial flowers sprinkled by Manjusri Buddha: It is said that a
severe epidemic spread across the Himalayan region around three
thousand years ago. Many people died and great losses were incurred.
Manjusri Buddha, the former incarnation of Manjusri Bodhisattva,
happened to pass the sky above the Himalayas. When he saw that the
Tibetans were living in great turmoil, a great feeling of compassion
arose from his heart. He then spinkled Dzi beads down to the human
world. Whoever found them and picked them up would be cured of their
diseases.

(10) Appearance in fields: Dzi beads were buried deep underground,
after long-term geological movements, Dzi beads were created, and then
discovered and picked up by farmers during fieldwork.

(11) Dzi beads are the precious stones in the treasury of the Tagzig
kingdom: After King Gesar of the Ling Kingdom had defeated the Tagzig
kingdom, he found many precious items, including Dzi beads, in the
treasury of Tagzig. King Gesar rewarded his victorious soldiers with
Dzi beads who then carried them back to Tibet. After that, Dzi beads
spread all over the Himalayan region.

(12) Dzi beads are insects that can crawl, run and fly: Tibetans
believe that Dzi beads used to be insects which live in nests. When
the insects have been unearthed, they continue to move around and then
solidify into various types of Dzi beads. The insects may become
petrified after they have been covered by a Lama's long robe, or
touched by human hands, people with good karma or covered by a woman's
skirt. The crawling ones, become solid when human beings sprinkle sand
upon them, if not, they will disappear.

(13) Dzi beads are hidden treasures of Guru Rinpoche: After Guru
Rinpoche ( Padmasambhava ) built the first temple ( Samye Monastery )
in Tibet, he was blessed with dzi beads by the heavenly beings. Guru
Rinpoche then buried the dzi beads all over Tibet each with a specific
prayer blessing or spiritual insight. This reinforces the Tibetan
belief that only people with good karma are destined to own dzi beads.

(14) Dzi can be discovered in the Dzi meadows: People with good
fortune can see Dzi beads flying above the Tibetan meadows. They
become Dzi beads after capture by humans.

For more detailed information on Tibetan Dzi Beads, please check out
my Dzi beads website at http://dzidzi888.googlepages.com

Regards,

Dzidzi888

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Old July 17th 07, 06:07 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
Andrew Werby
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Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

Myths and legends are all very well - but even on your site, there's little
verifiable information about these beads you're trying to sell. "14 elements
from Mars"? Are you claiming that these beads are actaully from Mars, or
just that some of the elements they contain (silica, iron, oxygen...) also
happen to be present on that planet? Here's another deceptive quote: The
hardness of Dzi is 7 to 8.5 on the Moh's hardness index, slightly below the
African diamond, which has an index of 10. Crystal's magnetic wave is 4
volts whereas Tibetan's Dzi Bead gives off 13 volts, 3 times more than
crystal."

While the number 8.5 seems close to 10, the Mohs scale is not a linear
scale, but a practical way of distinguishing various minerals by
scratch-testing. A diamond at 10 is several times harder than a corundum at
9. Since these beads are evidently dyed agates, 7 is a much more likely
hardness number anyway. And if they really "gave off" 13 volts, we could use
them instead of batteries...

Obviously, you're trying to trade on the supposedly "mysterious" qualities
of these beads, but to most of us this seems rather silly. There's some much
more solid information about them he
http://www.thebeadsite.com/bmms-etq.htm . The permanent coloring of agate
was something of a technological feat in the year 2000 BC, the earliest date
attributed to them, and certainly finding antique patterned beads would
excite some wonder in their finders, particularly if the secret of their
production had been lost in the interim. But this is hardly the case today,
and lacking a practical way of dating them, we can only assume that the vast
majority of these decorated beads were produced fairly recently, most likely
in China. Telling people that your beads are a remedy for "heart diseases,
high blood pressure and diabetes as well as ... poor blood circulation,
blocked nose, sprains, insomnia and aching bones" seems to cross the line
from legitimate self-promotion ("mere puffery" in the words of the US
Supreme Court) into medical fraud. At least put a note on your site telling
your customers not to give up their doctor-prescribed medications in favor
of your magic amulets...

Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com








"dzidzi888" wrote in message
...
Myths and Legends of Dzi Beads

The history of the mysterious Dzi Beads is filled with mythological
and legendary stories. The following is a list of commonly believed
Tibetan Dzi bead legends:

(1) Dzi beads are the weapons of the Asura: An Asura belongs to one of
the six classes of living beings. They are opponents to Sakyamuni
Buddha and do not listen to the Buddha's words. Therefore they are
considered to be non-godlike, non-divine and non-human entities. They
use Dzi beads as their weapons.

(2) Plankton from the ancient seas: In the original form, the Dzi
beads were like mollusks and conches with a fleshy body protected by a
shell. They could move about freely. After the Himalayan Mountains
arose from the shifting of tectonic plates, no more seas existed in
the region. The plankton died and their shells subsequently become Dzi
beads.

(3) Dzi Bead are precious jewels of the demi-gods: Tibetans say that
Dzi beads are the precious jewels of the demi-gods who discard the
blemished ones upon the human world. This explains why no one ever
finds a perfect dzi bead.

(4) Painted stones from nearby India: A couple who lived in the
Himalayan Mountains painted designs onto a unique kind of Indian
stone. Since the skill required to paint the stone was very difficult
to imitate and kept within the family, the skill was lost after they
passed away.

(5) Dzi beads originated from the Dzi stream: Legend has it that there
were Dzi beads flowing continuously like a stream from a mountain near
Rutog in Ngari. One day, a wicked woman with the "evil eye" conjured
towards the stream, from that day onwards, no Dzi beads were ever
discovered from the stream.

(6) Meteorites from outer space: Meteorites fell from outer space onto
the fields. These were picked up and used by yogis in their practices.
After the yogic practitioners' refinement, they became Dzi beads.

(7) Dzi beads are the magic beads cast by Vajravahari Buddha (Tibetan:
Dorje Phamo): During those early years when Tibet was overwhelmed by
severe epidemic, Tibetans were plunged into an abyss of misery and
they led a very hard life. Fortunately, the compassionate Vajravahari
Buddha came to relieve them by dropping magical Dzi beads from the
sky. Anyone predestined to obtain them would be relieved from disease,
calamities and bad luck.

(8) Snake-like living things: Dzi beads are living things that can
move about like snakes. When they are found and touched by human
hands, they stop moving and turn into a string of Dzi beads.

(9) Celestial flowers sprinkled by Manjusri Buddha: It is said that a
severe epidemic spread across the Himalayan region around three
thousand years ago. Many people died and great losses were incurred.
Manjusri Buddha, the former incarnation of Manjusri Bodhisattva,
happened to pass the sky above the Himalayas. When he saw that the
Tibetans were living in great turmoil, a great feeling of compassion
arose from his heart. He then spinkled Dzi beads down to the human
world. Whoever found them and picked them up would be cured of their
diseases.

(10) Appearance in fields: Dzi beads were buried deep underground,
after long-term geological movements, Dzi beads were created, and then
discovered and picked up by farmers during fieldwork.

(11) Dzi beads are the precious stones in the treasury of the Tagzig
kingdom: After King Gesar of the Ling Kingdom had defeated the Tagzig
kingdom, he found many precious items, including Dzi beads, in the
treasury of Tagzig. King Gesar rewarded his victorious soldiers with
Dzi beads who then carried them back to Tibet. After that, Dzi beads
spread all over the Himalayan region.

(12) Dzi beads are insects that can crawl, run and fly: Tibetans
believe that Dzi beads used to be insects which live in nests. When
the insects have been unearthed, they continue to move around and then
solidify into various types of Dzi beads. The insects may become
petrified after they have been covered by a Lama's long robe, or
touched by human hands, people with good karma or covered by a woman's
skirt. The crawling ones, become solid when human beings sprinkle sand
upon them, if not, they will disappear.

(13) Dzi beads are hidden treasures of Guru Rinpoche: After Guru
Rinpoche ( Padmasambhava ) built the first temple ( Samye Monastery )
in Tibet, he was blessed with dzi beads by the heavenly beings. Guru
Rinpoche then buried the dzi beads all over Tibet each with a specific
prayer blessing or spiritual insight. This reinforces the Tibetan
belief that only people with good karma are destined to own dzi beads.

(14) Dzi can be discovered in the Dzi meadows: People with good
fortune can see Dzi beads flying above the Tibetan meadows. They
become Dzi beads after capture by humans.

For more detailed information on Tibetan Dzi Beads, please check out
my Dzi beads website at http://dzidzi888.googlepages.com

Regards,

Dzidzi888



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Old August 15th 07, 02:54 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry,alt.antiques
dzidzi888
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Posts: 3
Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

The so-called scientific qualities of Dzi beads (voltage etc...) which
you are so sceptical of ( and too quick to dismiss) were provided by
Japanese Scientists, using western scientific methods.

Here's an interesting fact, the Japanese scientists also conducted
statistical experiments on 'luck' using Dzi beads. Volunteers were
made to play, i.e. pull the lever, of jackpot machines over 1000+
times over 1 week. Those wearing dzi beads were found to have
statistically significant higher payoffs.

The website (http://www.thebeadsite.com/bmms-etq.htm) which you
suggested shows a distinct lack of knowledge of Tibetan culture and
Dzi beads. There are extant Tibetan historical records about the
origin of Tibetan Dzi beads.

As for the medical benefits, these are based on Tibetan Medical
classics, which are still in use today after thousands of years.
Tibetan medicine is quite similar to the Chinese medical system, which
is based on the concept of Qi or 'life-force'. Just because you do not
believe in the concept of Qi does not mean that qi based medical
remedies are ineffective or 'mere puffery'.

For more information about Tibetan culture and Dzi beads, please check
out my website at http://dzidzi888.googlepages.com

Regards,

Dzidzi888

On Jul 17, 1:07 pm, "Andrew Werby"
wrote:
Myths and legends are all very well - but even on your site, there's little
verifiable information about thesebeadsyou're trying to sell. "14 elements
from Mars"? Are you claiming that thesebeadsare actaully from Mars, or
just that some of the elements they contain (silica, iron, oxygen...) also
happen to be present on that planet? Here's another deceptive quote: The
hardness ofDziis 7 to 8.5 on the Moh's hardness index, slightly below the
African diamond, which has an index of 10. Crystal's magnetic wave is 4
volts whereas Tibetan'sDziBead gives off 13 volts, 3 times more than
crystal."

While the number 8.5 seems close to 10, the Mohs scale is not a linear
scale, but a practical way of distinguishing various minerals by
scratch-testing. A diamond at 10 is several times harder than a corundum at
9. Since thesebeadsare evidently dyed agates, 7 is a much more likely
hardness number anyway. And if they really "gave off" 13 volts, we could use
them instead of batteries...

Obviously, you're trying to trade on the supposedly "mysterious" qualities
of thesebeads, but to most of us this seems rather silly. There's some much
more solid information about them hehttp://www.thebeadsite.com/bmms-etq.htm. The permanent coloring of agate
was something of a technological feat in the year 2000 BC, the earliest date
attributed to them, and certainly finding antique patternedbeadswould
excite some wonder in their finders, particularly if the secret of their
production had been lost in the interim. But this is hardly the case today,
and lacking a practical way of dating them, we can only assume that the vast
majority of these decoratedbeadswere produced fairly recently, most likely
in China. Telling people that yourbeadsare a remedy for "heart diseases,
high blood pressure and diabetes as well as ... poor blood circulation,
blocked nose, sprains, insomnia and aching bones" seems to cross the line
from legitimate self-promotion ("mere puffery" in the words of the US
Supreme Court) into medical fraud. At least put a note on your site telling
your customers not to give up their doctor-prescribed medications in favor
of your magic amulets...

Andrew Werbywww.unitedartworks.com

"dzidzi888" wrote in message

...

Myths and Legends ofDziBeads


The history of the mysteriousDziBeadsis filled with mythological
and legendary stories. The following is a list of commonly believed
TibetanDzibead legends:


(1)Dzibeadsare the weapons of the Asura: An Asura belongs to one of
the six classes of living beings. They are opponents to Sakyamuni
Buddha and do not listen to the Buddha's words. Therefore they are
considered to be non-godlike, non-divine and non-human entities. They
useDzibeadsas their weapons.


(2) Plankton from the ancient seas: In the original form, theDzi
beadswere like mollusks and conches with a fleshy body protected by a
shell. They could move about freely. After the Himalayan Mountains
arose from the shifting of tectonic plates, no more seas existed in
the region. The plankton died and their shells subsequently becomeDzi
beads.


(3)DziBead are precious jewels of the demi-gods: Tibetans say that
Dzibeadsare the precious jewels of the demi-gods who discard the
blemished ones upon the human world. This explains why no one ever
finds a perfectdzibead.


(4) Painted stones from nearby India: A couple who lived in the
Himalayan Mountains painted designs onto a unique kind of Indian
stone. Since the skill required to paint the stone was very difficult
to imitate and kept within the family, the skill was lost after they
passed away.


(5)Dzibeadsoriginated from theDzistream: Legend has it that there
wereDzibeadsflowing continuously like a stream from a mountain near
Rutog in Ngari. One day, a wicked woman with the "evil eye" conjured
towards the stream, from that day onwards, noDzibeadswere ever
discovered from the stream.


(6) Meteorites from outer space: Meteorites fell from outer space onto
the fields. These were picked up and used by yogis in their practices.
After the yogic practitioners' refinement, they becameDzibeads.


(7)Dzibeadsare the magicbeadscast by Vajravahari Buddha (Tibetan:
Dorje Phamo): During those early years whenTibetwas overwhelmed by
severe epidemic, Tibetans were plunged into an abyss of misery and
they led a very hard life. Fortunately, the compassionate Vajravahari
Buddha came to relieve them by dropping magicalDzibeadsfrom the
sky. Anyone predestined to obtain them would be relieved from disease,
calamities and bad luck.


(8) Snake-like living thingszibeadsare living things that can
move about like snakes. When they are found and touched by human
hands, they stop moving and turn into a string ofDzibeads.


(9) Celestial flowers sprinkled by Manjusri Buddha: It is said that a
severe epidemic spread across the Himalayan region around three
thousand years ago. Many people died and great losses were incurred.
Manjusri Buddha, the former incarnation of Manjusri Bodhisattva,
happened to pass the sky above the Himalayas. When he saw that the
Tibetans were living in great turmoil, a great feeling of compassion
arose from his heart. He then spinkledDzibeadsdown to the human
world. Whoever found them and picked them up would be cured of their
diseases.


(10) Appearance in fieldszibeadswere buried deep underground,
after long-term geological movements,Dzibeadswere created, and then
discovered and picked up by farmers during fieldwork.


(11)Dzibeadsare the precious stones in the treasury of the Tagzig
kingdom: After King Gesar of the Ling Kingdom had defeated the Tagzig
kingdom, he found many precious items, includingDzibeads, in the
treasury of Tagzig. King Gesar rewarded his victorious soldiers with
Dzibeadswho then carried them back toTibet. After that,Dzibeads
spread all over the Himalayan region.


(12)Dzibeadsare insects that can crawl, run and fly: Tibetans
believe thatDzibeadsused to be insects which live in nests. When
the insects have been unearthed, they continue to move around and then
solidify into various types ofDzibeads. The insects may become
petrified after they have been covered by a Lama's long robe, or
touched by human hands, people with good karma or covered by a woman's
skirt. The crawling ones, become solid when human beings sprinkle sand
upon them, if not, they will disappear.


(13)Dzibeadsare hidden treasures of Guru Rinpoche: After Guru
Rinpoche ( Padmasambhava ) built the first temple ( Samye Monastery )
inTibet, he was blessed withdzibeadsby the heavenly beings. Guru
Rinpoche then buried thedzibeadsall overTibeteach with a specific
prayer blessing or spiritual insight. This reinforces the Tibetan
belief that only people with good karma are destined to owndzibeads.


(14)Dzican be discovered in theDzimeadows: People with good
fortune can seeDzibeadsflying above the Tibetan meadows. They
becomeDzibeadsafter capture by humans.


For more detailed information on TibetanDziBeads, please check out
myDzibeadswebsite athttp://dzidzi888.googlepages.com


Regards,


Dzidzi888



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Old August 15th 07, 05:57 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry,alt.antiques
mbstevens
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Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

dzidzi888 wrote:

Here's an interesting fact, the Japanese scientists also conducted
statistical experiments on 'luck' using Dzi beads. Volunteers were
made to play, i.e. pull the lever, of jackpot machines over 1000+
times over 1 week. Those wearing dzi beads were found to have
statistically significant higher payoffs.


Now you've done it.
My BS detector will have me up giggling all night.

Post full documentation for the tests, including names of scientists,
exactly where done, where published, full modality, whether done double blind,
and whether tests have been duplicated by other groups. Post same
information for confirming scientific groups if they exist.
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Old August 16th 07, 02:31 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry,alt.antiques
Al Balmer
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Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:14 -0700, dzidzi888
wrote:

The so-called scientific qualities of Dzi beads (voltage etc...) which
you are so sceptical of ( and too quick to dismiss) were provided by
Japanese Scientists, using western scientific methods.


Oh, good grief. OK, I'll bite. Please supply the names and
affiliations of these Japanese scientists, and citations of the
scientific papers they produced. (I don't read Japanese, but my wife
does, and many scientific papers are in English anyway.)

This isn't April 1st, is it?

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
  #6  
Old August 16th 07, 09:48 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry,alt.antiques
Maren at google
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Default Dzi Beads of Tibet - Myths and Legends

On Aug 15, 3:31 pm, Al Balmer wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:14 -0700, dzidzi888
wrote:

The so-called scientific qualities of Dzi beads (voltage etc...) which
you are so sceptical of ( and too quick to dismiss) were provided by
Japanese Scientists, using western scientific methods.


Oh, good grief. OK, I'll bite. Please supply the names and
affiliations of these Japanese scientists, and citations of the
scientific papers they produced. (I don't read Japanese, but my wife
does, and many scientific papers are in English anyway.)


and no, a URL won't cut it. Anybody can hire someone to produce
a web page that states anything they like (or do it themselves).

This isn't April 1st, is it?


nah, just somebody who thinks stating something to the effect
he did will convince us without real data.

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ


Maren Purves, Hilo HI
(warning-ed out. Flossie was no big deal so far, and it sounds like
the
tsunami won't materialize either (but we'll see). But the earthquakes
were real)

 




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