Very OT - Fahrenheit 9/11

No EIC is for anyone under a certain annual amount who has earned income,
whether wages or self-employment. It's not a lot of money, but every bit
helps! You can also count other dependents (say if you're caring for an
elderly parent) I believe.
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"vj" wrote in message
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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V
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]Unless you're making a heck of a lot of money, you are likely
]entitled to get most of your taxes back as a credit for low income
]earners.

isn't that only for people who have children?


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Thanks Roxan. I too hope that people can see the compassion aspect of
euthanasia.

Kathy K
"roxan" wrote in message
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Kathy, I am so sorry you had to go through seeing your Mom in so much
pain,
my heart goes out to you. Our ending days should not have to be like this
and I only hope that someday we will all come to know that euthanasia is
the most compassionate thing we can do for a love one.
Roxan
"KDK" wrote in message
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I went through this with my Mom. She also asked me to make it end and I
would have done anything to make it happen - but I couldn't. Her last
week
or so was absolutely horrible. Nothing touched the pain. She was on a
morphine drip with the us being able to administer "extras" at set
intervals, derma patches, and something else. The hospice people were
surprised the amount of morphine didn't put her into a coma- wish it
had.
That has been the most painful thing I've gone through - watching her
suffering so much. I don't ever want to do it again. My Dad
fortunately
did not have pain.

Kathy K

For example, at my last job I
worked with a single girl who made a bit more money than me. She had a
son, and was receiving benefits in addition to her income because of it.
She had a college degree, lived a nicer house, drove a brand new car,
had all the latest gadgets, and bragged about how she never wore the
same outfit twice. She even took a luxury vacation while I was there. So
I'm wondering why someone who made more than me was receiving additional
benefits that allowed her to live exponentially better. Stories like
these (and I have seen many!) really don't speak well for giving aid.

Every welfare dept has resource limits for its recipients... it varies from
state to state and county to county, but it's very low... and includes the
value of vehicles, savings accounts, cash value of life insurance,
additional real estate besides the primary residence, and so on. But most
eligibility workers don't have the time or the resources to actually go out
and investigate everyone, so people lie and get help that don't deserve it.
If you know for a fact that someone has adequate resources and is still
getting help, call your local welfare dept. and make a fraud complaint. Most
welfare depts now have a fraud investigator on staff and will find out if
that person is lying about their needs or not. If you have any "hard"
evidence, that will be helpful.

Or alternatively, you could call and say, "Can someone receive help if they
make this much money with this many resources?" Just so you'd know....

This girl may not have been receiving "benefits" however, she may just have
been getting her child support re-directed thru Support Enforcement... which
anyone with a valid support order and a dead-beat parent (dad or mom) can
do. Her checks may have come from the State, but they were funded by the
child's parent, not tax money.
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I agree... sigh... oh how I agree.
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"Tinkster" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:20:09 -0400, Kathy N-V
wrote:

You'd have to be nuts to jump through all the hoops required
to get government aid unless there was no other way for you to
survive. It's _far_ easier to go to work.

Amen. I won't go into my rant on the Welfare to Work system other than
to say it doesn't help AND it causes harm.

Tink

My own child support payments (crappy as they are) come to me through the
Distarict Attorney's office in one of the Cali counties.

Mr. DeadBeat makes his payment to them, and they cut me a check. It's set up
this way so that the state can take out any monies owed to them if I ever make
use of certain programs they offer (cash assistance, etc). Luckily, I haven't
had to do that.


This girl may not have been receiving "benefits" however, she may just have
been getting her child support re-directed thru Support Enforcement... which
anyone with a valid support order and a dead-beat parent (dad or mom) can
do. Her checks may have come from the State, but they were funded by the
child's parent, not tax money.
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~Candace~
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It's different from the child credit.

-Kalera
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vj wrote:
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V
:

]Unless you're making a heck of a lot of money, you are likely
]entitled to get most of your taxes back as a credit for low income
]earners.

isn't that only for people who have children?


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Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.

Yeah, I used to get it when I had no kids and it was pretty paltry.
OTOH, I really *needed* it once I had kids. There really does need to be
something else in place though, something that keeps people *out* of
poverty rather than forcing them there.

-Kalera
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Kathy N-V wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 4:46:22 -0400, vj wrote
(in message ):


vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V
:


Unless you're making a heck of a lot of money, you are likely
entitled to get most of your taxes back as a credit for low income
earners.

isn't that only for people who have children?


No. According to the IRS web page, the Earned Income Credit is for
working people with or without qualifying children. However, I just
discovered that the credit is downright chintzy for those who do not
have any kids. I can see why it would be less than thrilling for
those without kids.

Kathy N-V

Yes, and that's the kind of society that I want to be part of. Not
socialist, exactly, but caring.

-Kalera
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Dr. Sooz wrote:

That's what a caring society does.
~~
Sooz

But your money can buy an old building and restore it. Why should my, or
anyone's tax money go toward something as trivial as *stuff*? Private
money is for that.

-Kalera
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mjoann wrote:
Candace wrote:

What I get from this is very simple. You don't think you would
qualify for any
of many programs designed to HELP--so you resent the people who have
taken the
initiative to make use of those programs. I'm sorry, did someone mention
taking control?


Because it is absurd. Why should anyone be responsible for others? I
don't ask anyone to be responsible for me.

But this:

If it was up to me, and I didn't need it so much, my tax money would go
towards preserving the things that people destroy. I would love to give
my money to save historical buildings, preserve natural areas, save
wildlife, stop killing in animal shelters, etc.; things that would undo
human destruction.


To sum my question and your answer: You would rather see your money
save an
old building than feed someone who wouldn't eat otherwise.


Humans are destructive and abusive; I would much rather undo their
damage. I'll melt for an animal that a person has discarded or for
wildlife forced from its home, but I do not want to pay for others to
overpopulate and continuing destroying the earth.

Was she receiving *benefits*, or was she receiving a check from the
state that was from her child's father's child support? Or do you know
the difference? In most cases now, the parent paying support sends the
money to the state and the state sends it to the custodial parent.

AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, there are no programs in any states wherein a
single parent with one child, working full-time, is eligible for state
benefits. I couldn't even get food stamps with TWO children unless I was
working half-time or less. If you tell me what state you were living in
at the time I can check up on that quite easily. Your example of someone
with one dependent working full-time and making more than minimum wage
(you said she was making "a good bit" more than you, therefore logic
decrees that she was making "a good bit" more than minimum wage) getting
more in state aid than others earn in full-time wages... that's patently
ridiculous.

I think that you haven't done your research and can't cite any evidence
to support your claims. Furthermore, I think your claims are based on
assumptions, not evidence. I think you are wilfully misinformed. I also
think that if you give me dates, places and figures, I can prove that
your examples are misinformation.

Last but far from least, a person with no children can fairly easily
take advantage of the educational opportunities our society offers, but
it becomes difficult to near-impossibility when there are children
involved. Financial aid is very unforgiving about the number of credit
hours you MUST take in order to qualify. Even the financial aid office
here at PSU agrees that there is this glaring gap in aid for parents.
Just to anticipate your next argument, the blanket answer from the
ignorant is "but there are programs and cholarships for single parents".
Sure... to an incredibly limited degree, there are a few programs here
and there, like reduced-price childcare for students and a housing
credit and a few scholarships, but nowhere near enough to fill the need.
You need to do the research and stop making assumptions.

-Kalera
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mjoann wrote:


But, there's a difference:
Streets (I actually don't drive or take public transportation,)
libraries, schools, parks, etc. are for everyone. Everyone pays, but
everyone can use them. Foodstamps and similar benefits are for selected
people; many times, people who may not necessarily need them, but know
how to work the system. I don't mind government spending that benefits
everyone equally, and I do believe some people honestly need help.
However, I am more likely to feel for the elderly or disabled who have
nowhere else to turn. For healthy people, I do not believe welfare is
the answer. Maybe tax breaks and job assistance, but not payment for
staying home. It is especially absurd that the benefits can be even
better than some working people's salary. For example, at my last job I
worked with a single girl who made a bit more money than me. She had a
son, and was receiving benefits in addition to her income because of it.
She had a college degree, lived a nicer house, drove a brand new car,
had all the latest gadgets, and bragged about how she never wore the
same outfit twice. She even took a luxury vacation while I was there. So
I'm wondering why someone who made more than me was receiving additional
benefits that allowed her to live exponentially better. Stories like
these (and I have seen many!) really don't speak well for giving aid.

mjoann