Leg Cramps and Quinine (was) Banned from the Garden!--very long

Hi Sheena ,
found this link which gives a good explanation as to what it may be.
Jan
wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:23:29 -0400, "Gillian Murray"
wrote:

Ever had it in the foot, whenyo can watch it? I had one, not bad, the
other
evening above the arch of my foot. I watched the big toe dance left and
right.....damndest thing, and I didn't even have a glass of
wine.........well, earlier maybe, but not at the time!!

Gillian

I always seem to have these cramps around four/five in the morning.
I wonder why that is? Is there a reason that anyone knows ? The
only exception is that if I reach for something standing on tippy toes
(so to speak) that can set off cramps in the calf.

Sheena



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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:35:04 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, I call that a muscle spasm. The cramps I'm talking about are
where
something in the tendon or joint or ligament happens and I can only
place
my
foot down a certain way or the pain will be excruciating.

Same thing. My muscle goes into spasm and it is agonizing. If I am
lucky I can manipulate my foot and it will ease, unlucky and it means
I will have to get up and walk around for awhile.

I can also feel where the muscle 'knotted' up the next day. Worst one
is one that occurs in the foot, it feels like the foot will snap in
half sideways. That one often makes me yell out loud and I have
pretty good pain tolerance levels. My cat hates that one, it
disturbs his sleep.

Sheena

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:37:54 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

The good old charley-horse! I wake in the night, turn over, and
something
in the back of my calf (usually) seems to go haywire. It is hard,
knotted
up, and you can feel the twitching. If I can make myself totally
relax,
it
will often go away. On occasions the leg is still sore the next day.
I
think
we had a discussion on the subject not long back, which is where I
heard
of
quinine. For a while I would have a glass of tonic water, sans gin,
late
in
the evening. It may be coincidence, but on those nights I had no
problems.

Gillian
"animaux" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:15:05 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

That has always been my rationale....we know quinine is
anti-malarial,
and
it is also good for legcramps!!

Gillian

I'm sorry, but I've been trying to get off that psychic vampire of
a
topic. So,
started a few others.

When you say leg cramps, are you talking about muscle spasm type
things,
or
those cramps in the groin? When I walk downhill, my back is so
twisted
off
center, I get a cramp in my left groin area. If I don't walk
slowly
and
catch
it before I crack into a full cramp, I can't walk for a few
days...unless
it's
with a cane.

What a mess.

But what are you meaning by cramp?

V

oops link didn't show , here it is
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C466089.html
Jan
"Jan Lennie" wrote in message
...
Hi Sheena ,
found this link which gives a good explanation as to what it may be.
Jan
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:23:29 -0400, "Gillian Murray"
wrote:

Ever had it in the foot, whenyo can watch it? I had one, not bad, the
other
evening above the arch of my foot. I watched the big toe dance left and
right.....damndest thing, and I didn't even have a glass of
wine.........well, earlier maybe, but not at the time!!

Gillian

I always seem to have these cramps around four/five in the morning.
I wonder why that is? Is there a reason that anyone knows ? The
only exception is that if I reach for something standing on tippy toes
(so to speak) that can set off cramps in the calf.

Sheena



wrote in message
news On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:35:04 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, I call that a muscle spasm. The cramps I'm talking about are
where
something in the tendon or joint or ligament happens and I can only
place
my
foot down a certain way or the pain will be excruciating.

Same thing. My muscle goes into spasm and it is agonizing. If I am
lucky I can manipulate my foot and it will ease, unlucky and it means
I will have to get up and walk around for awhile.

I can also feel where the muscle 'knotted' up the next day. Worst
one
is one that occurs in the foot, it feels like the foot will snap in
half sideways. That one often makes me yell out loud and I have
pretty good pain tolerance levels. My cat hates that one, it
disturbs his sleep.

Sheena

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:37:54 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

The good old charley-horse! I wake in the night, turn over, and
something
in the back of my calf (usually) seems to go haywire. It is hard,
knotted
up, and you can feel the twitching. If I can make myself totally
relax,
it
will often go away. On occasions the leg is still sore the next
day.
I
think
we had a discussion on the subject not long back, which is where I
heard
of
quinine. For a while I would have a glass of tonic water, sans gin,
late
in
the evening. It may be coincidence, but on those nights I had no
problems.

Gillian
"animaux" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:15:05 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

That has always been my rationale....we know quinine is
anti-malarial,
and
it is also good for legcramps!!

Gillian

I'm sorry, but I've been trying to get off that psychic vampire
of
a
topic. So,
started a few others.

When you say leg cramps, are you talking about muscle spasm type
things,
or
those cramps in the groin? When I walk downhill, my back is so
twisted
off
center, I get a cramp in my left groin area. If I don't walk
slowly
and
catch
it before I crack into a full cramp, I can't walk for a few
days...unless
it's
with a cane.

What a mess.

But what are you meaning by cramp?

V

Thanks for the link; according to my annual physical last month, I don't
have any of the medical diseases mentioned, but I giuess I do fit in the
category of "older" patients. I think I have occasionally had them as far
back as I remember, but they have increased in frequency as the years have
passed.

Gillian
"Jan Lennie" wrote in message
...
oops link didn't show , here it is
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C466089.html
Jan
"Jan Lennie" wrote in message
...
Hi Sheena ,
found this link which gives a good explanation as to what it may be.
Jan

"emerald" wrote in message
.. .

wrote

He did actually assist a woman, of I think 65, to be pregnant and go
forward to a live birth. She had lost her darling playboy son in his
Ferrari, and wanted a replacement son. She got her wish but it
seemed to me it was a reprehensible thing for him to do.

IIRC she even named the second son the same as the first one........Ick.

emerald

As a person married to an Italian, I can say that this is not very unusual.
My mother in law (an immigrant from Sicily) named three successive children
the same, since the first two died shortly after birth. It has to do with
the custom of naming the children after their grandparents.
--
LittleBit
Study the past, if you would divine the future.
Confucius

Yes! I get that all the time. My middle toe goes down and all the others stay
in place. Nothing I do can change it, either. I try stretching...OWweeee. I
try ice, soak, my hub massages it, nothing helps till it works out.


On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:23:29 -0400, "Gillian Murray"
wrote:

Ever had it in the foot, whenyo can watch it? I had one, not bad, the other
evening above the arch of my foot. I watched the big toe dance left and
right.....damndest thing, and I didn't even have a glass of
wine.........well, earlier maybe, but not at the time!!

Gillian
wrote in message
news
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:35:04 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, I call that a muscle spasm. The cramps I'm talking about are where
something in the tendon or joint or ligament happens and I can only place
my
foot down a certain way or the pain will be excruciating.

Same thing. My muscle goes into spasm and it is agonizing. If I am
lucky I can manipulate my foot and it will ease, unlucky and it means
I will have to get up and walk around for awhile.

I can also feel where the muscle 'knotted' up the next day. Worst one
is one that occurs in the foot, it feels like the foot will snap in
half sideways. That one often makes me yell out loud and I have
pretty good pain tolerance levels. My cat hates that one, it
disturbs his sleep.

Sheena

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:37:54 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

The good old charley-horse! I wake in the night, turn over, and
something
in the back of my calf (usually) seems to go haywire. It is hard,
knotted
up, and you can feel the twitching. If I can make myself totally relax,
it
will often go away. On occasions the leg is still sore the next day. I
think
we had a discussion on the subject not long back, which is where I heard
of
quinine. For a while I would have a glass of tonic water, sans gin, late
in
the evening. It may be coincidence, but on those nights I had no
problems.

Gillian
"animaux" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:15:05 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

That has always been my rationale....we know quinine is
anti-malarial,
and
it is also good for legcramps!!

Gillian

I'm sorry, but I've been trying to get off that psychic vampire of a
topic. So,
started a few others.

When you say leg cramps, are you talking about muscle spasm type
things,
or
those cramps in the groin? When I walk downhill, my back is so
twisted
off
center, I get a cramp in my left groin area. If I don't walk slowly
and
catch
it before I crack into a full cramp, I can't walk for a few
days...unless
it's
with a cane.

What a mess.

But what are you meaning by cramp?

V

Well, kiddo,

You are twenty years younger than me! Just picture the ballet you can watch
then!!
LOL

Gillian
"animaux" wrote in message
...
Yes! I get that all the time. My middle toe goes down and all the others
stay
in place. Nothing I do can change it, either. I try
stretching...OWweeee. I
try ice, soak, my hub massages it, nothing helps till it works out.


On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:23:29 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

Ever had it in the foot, whenyo can watch it? I had one, not bad, the
other
evening above the arch of my foot. I watched the big toe dance left and
right.....damndest thing, and I didn't even have a glass of
wine.........well, earlier maybe, but not at the time!!

Gillian
wrote in message
news
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:35:04 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, I call that a muscle spasm. The cramps I'm talking about are
where
something in the tendon or joint or ligament happens and I can only
place
my
foot down a certain way or the pain will be excruciating.

Same thing. My muscle goes into spasm and it is agonizing. If I am
lucky I can manipulate my foot and it will ease, unlucky and it means
I will have to get up and walk around for awhile.

I can also feel where the muscle 'knotted' up the next day. Worst one
is one that occurs in the foot, it feels like the foot will snap in
half sideways. That one often makes me yell out loud and I have
pretty good pain tolerance levels. My cat hates that one, it
disturbs his sleep.

Sheena

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:37:54 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

The good old charley-horse! I wake in the night, turn over, and
something
in the back of my calf (usually) seems to go haywire. It is hard,
knotted
up, and you can feel the twitching. If I can make myself totally
relax,
it
will often go away. On occasions the leg is still sore the next day.
I
think
we had a discussion on the subject not long back, which is where I
heard
of
quinine. For a while I would have a glass of tonic water, sans gin,
late
in
the evening. It may be coincidence, but on those nights I had no
problems.

Gillian
"animaux" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:15:05 -0400, "Gillian Murray"

wrote:

That has always been my rationale....we know quinine is
anti-malarial,
and
it is also good for legcramps!!

Gillian

I'm sorry, but I've been trying to get off that psychic vampire of
a
topic. So,
started a few others.

When you say leg cramps, are you talking about muscle spasm type
things,
or
those cramps in the groin? When I walk downhill, my back is so
twisted
off
center, I get a cramp in my left groin area. If I don't walk
slowly
and
catch
it before I crack into a full cramp, I can't walk for a few
days...unless
it's
with a cane.

What a mess.

But what are you meaning by cramp?

V

My late mother suffered a lot with leg cramps and was prescribed quinine
which helped. She took it for years, but became deaf. This can be a side
effect of quinine use, so beware !

Marie from OZ

"Marie Lawrence" wrote in message ...
My late mother suffered a lot with leg cramps and was prescribed quinine
which helped. She took it for years, but became deaf. This can be a side
effect of quinine use, so beware !

Marie from OZ

Marie-

My condolences on the loss of your mother. I wanted to thank you for
the information regarding quinine. I had not heard of this particular
side effect.

I periodically suffer from restless leg syndrome and find that my
symptoms intensify if I am lacking in calcium or magnesium in my
system. Taking a 500mg calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement usually
quiets my symptoms, besides being a good idea anyway as a help to
prevent osteoporosis. There are no bad side effects to
calcium/mag/zinc that I'm aware of. BTW, taking more than 500mg of
this supplement is a waste. The body can only process or accept 500mg
at a time.

I have never been totally clear as to whether leg cramps and restless
leg syndrome were the same condition or merely related.

Jo