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Caryn wrote:


Saying that "all they needed to do was look at a map" "or all they cared about
was the proximity of the highway" is what I am objecting to. Maps alone
definately don't tell you what the living situations are like.

I lived closer to Islip's MacArthur airport than I do to Dulles, but was never
on the flight path. They don't publish flight paths on road maps.

Caryn


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I'm with Karen about trains, I actually miss the sound of them
sometimes. Fortunately I still live near enough to one that on summer
nights I can still hear them. Call me starnge and get it over with. As
for flight paths, since moving to this city, I've lived in four
different locations, 3 in one neighbourhood and one in another
neighbourhood. The one in the neighbourhood furtherest away from the
airport, we had more airplane noise then in all three locations in the
neighbourhood closer to the airport. Even the difference in noise
between the three locations in the same neighbourhood is startling, and
all three locations are within 5 blocks of each other. Location #1,
noise very disctinct, Location #2, 5 blocks north, barely any noise,
Lociation #3, between two previous locations, I walk out in the morning
and watch the lights of the planes landing fly overhead, fairly close
and barely hear any noise. Speed of sound moves differently than speed
of light so sometimes, when you see the plane, you can't hear it and
vice versa. I also work 3 blocks from the airport, and they rarely use
the flight path over our building, but when they do, you can tell. But
it's still cool, because during the annual air show, we can watch the
planes coming in and rehearsing and all that cool stuff.

Rachel

On 2/14/04 9:57 AM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

Do please forgive me for laughing at the "city folk" that had no idea that
even the cleanest piggery stinks.


Ya gotta just pity them, you know? And I do see the humor there.

I guess what got me is that the group had bought the land with the full
knowledge that there was a piggery with in a few miles and then sued anyhow.


When we moved into that farmhouse in the cornfield, we saw the dairy pasture
was very close by. Also figured out that usually we'd be downwind of it, and
lets face it cow manure smells a lot better than pigs and poultry poo does,
and
decided we could cope with it.

What we were unprepared for was the spreading of manure mixed with some other
fertilizer, thus making the smell almost unbearable, right outside our
windows.
We learned quick to close the windows when we saw that tractor heading out!
We never even considered complaining, we were paying for the house and the
yard
around it, what went on in the fields beyond the yard was outside of our
control.
Funny thing, I really like the smell. Might be nostalgia for my grand
parents....

House hunting for us the last two times was accomplished in 1 or 2 days, we
were living in different states from where the new houses would be, and it is
actually very difficult to find out everything about a neighborhood by merely
looking at a map.

Saying that "all they needed to do was look at a map" "or all they cared about
was the proximity of the highway" is what I am objecting to. Maps alone
definately don't tell you what the living situations are like.

A decent realtor makes all the difference there.

I lived closer to Islip's MacArthur airport than I do to Dulles, but was never
on the flight path. They don't publish flight paths on road maps.

Caryn

I see the flight path issue as totally different. Those change by weather
conditions, time of year (sun angle)...... Highway noise, seems obvious to
me, but I tend to think along those lines (engineer and all that).



DH and I are doing some preliminary footwork for an old friend; he wants to
move to NH and build and we are looking at parcels of land for him. It will
be interesting to note what he gets told against what we see.

Cheryl

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:56:02 -0500, "Lucille"
wrote:

We have the same problem in a town near me. People moved close to an
existing airport and now are constantly moaning and groaning about the
noise. They too took it to court, but since the airport was there first
they lost the case. However that doesn't prevent them from complaining.

Lucille


" Same thing, the judge ruled that it was their own stupidity. If they'd
stuck
around a bit, they would have known jets fly over at low altitude. If
they'd
picked up a road map, they would have seen the airport was right there.
Certainly, if they'd been locals, they would have known where the airport
was.
And believe me, there is no question that the airport was there first.


Around here, it's "let's turn the now-closed USMCAS El Toro into an
airport and we can close (or reduce the traffic at) John Wayne." The
theory, of course, is "reducing" the noise over pricey Newport Beach
and inflicting it upon someone else.

And whiney-assed residents managed to have NAS Los Alamitos closed,
even though the airbase had been there since WWII, and the houses
weren't built until the mid- to late-60s.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

Should I sue Disneyland and Knott's because I can hear their
fireworks?

On 14 Feb 2004 05:16:04 GMT, S (Karen C -
California) wrote:

In article , wd
(Caryn) writes:

Laughing at them from the smug position of knowing things they couldn't have
known seems most unkind.

In this case, the airport is barely 2 miles from where they bought the houses,
and it's actually the standard flight path. As I said, if they'd bothered to
even look at a road map, they would have seen how close they were to the
airport, and could have asked about it, but many of the buyers were concerned
about only one thing: proximity to the freeway.

It's not something they *couldn't* have known. The least little bit of
investigating the area they were planning to call home would have shown them
that the north end of Natomas adjoins the south end of the airport. Nothing
secret, but if you care that little about where you live that you don't even
bother to consult a map to find out if you're near an airport, train track,
outdoor concert venue......

Personally, I wonder how they could not have known. They came to see the
house; theoretically, they filled out the paperwork at an on-site sales office.
Unless they're speed-readers and speed-negotiators, at least one plane had to
come through in that time period.

Then again, I grew up in the JFK flight path -- not nearly as close as Lucille
-- and worked in the Lindbergh Field flight path (as in the jets appeared to be
heading straight for the lunch room where we were sitting), about a mile from
the runway, so I don't even hear the planes any more; they're just part of the
background noise. I also spent most of my life living a few blocks from
railroad tracks, and don't hear the trains any more, either.

Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

Maps alone
definately don't tell you what the living situations are like.

A decent realtor makes all the difference there.

Assuming you are buying your home. Renters have nobody to turn to. Which was
the case for us in MI. Answered a classified ad, and signed the lease within 2
hrs!

Caryn
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On 2/14/04 3:37 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

Maps alone
definately don't tell you what the living situations are like.

A decent realtor makes all the difference there.

Assuming you are buying your home. Renters have nobody to turn to. Which was
the case for us in MI. Answered a classified ad, and signed the lease within
2
hrs!

Caryn

Oh my! I hope you got lucky there!

I use a real estate agent to find and screen tenants - keeps the insurance
premiums down and has gotten us decent people. We've had a few problems,
but nothing major. ( nothing a cleaning service couldn't handle!) Most
recent one came to us from Arizona.

Cheryl

In article , Darla
writes:

Should I sue Disneyland and Knott's because I can hear their
fireworks?

Go ahead! You'll get your name on TV, your picture in the paper. Millions of
people will know The Darla, but only a few will be there when the judge laughs
you out of court.

Personally, I rather liked our apartment near the fairgrounds. We could sit in
air-conditioned comfort and watch the fireworks.


--
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WIP: Fireman's Prayer, Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday
Snowglobe

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Assuming you are buying your home. Renters have nobody to turn to. Which
was
the case for us in MI. Answered a classified ad, and signed the lease
within
2
hrs!

Caryn

Oh my! I hope you got lucky there!

We survived 5 yrs in that house! lol

We now own, having been shown 14 houses in a single 2 day trip to VA from MI to
house hunt.

I know realtor told us this and that about each of the 14 houses, and we did
our best to take notes and pictures, but you know it was all pretty much a
blur! lol

Caryn
Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
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On 2/14/04 4:08 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

Assuming you are buying your home. Renters have nobody to turn to. Which
was
the case for us in MI. Answered a classified ad, and signed the lease
within
2
hrs!

Caryn

Oh my! I hope you got lucky there!

We survived 5 yrs in that house! lol

We now own, having been shown 14 houses in a single 2 day trip to VA from MI
to
house hunt.

I know realtor told us this and that about each of the 14 houses, and we did
our best to take notes and pictures, but you know it was all pretty much a
blur! lol



I remember a session like that - we had the condo, but wanted something
larger. Miss Young and Eager found 10 places that "fit" what we wanted (sort
of) in a 30 mile radius and wanted to show us all of them in one afternoon.

Your head must have ached.

Cheryl

Caryn wrote:

" Same thing, the judge ruled that it was their own stupidity. If they'd
stuck

around a bit, they would have known jets fly over at low altitude. If

they'd

picked up a road map, they would have seen the airport was right there.


It's all well and good to make fun of people who do something stupid like sue
over a pre-existing airport, but I don't think you are being entirely fair
either.

Not everyone has the opportunity to stake out a property they are interested in
and wait to see if planes ever fly over.


In our case, it was a frat house. We're across a major road from the
school, and there was a frat house behind us. Yeah, we knew it had been
there before we moved in, but we didn't know that *every* Saturday they
had parties with HUNDREDS of drunk students ...OK, I exaggerate, it was
really only three weekends out of every four. But it was hundreds. The
office parking lot was full of cars. We'd count 'em. (on Saturday
nights, there were very few *legitimate* parkers in the lot!)

(And the thought that those VERY DRUNK students would leave in their
cars in the wee hours...oy veh!)

Sue