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#361
February 12th 04, 03:09 AM
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My youngest sister attended Humboldt State in Arcata and while she loved the
town she said it was not a good place to make a living. A lot of the part-time minimum wage jobs were taken up by college students and there wasn't much else to go around for those who lived there year-round. My parents basically had to pay all her expenses because the economy couldn't support the locals as well as all the college students looking for jobs. I have relatives inland from there near Yreka (in Etna and Fort Jones) and it's a very beautful remote mountain area - gorgeous! However, my aunt and uncle recently moved from there to southern Oregon because there was no way for them them even try and work part-time for a little extra money and no services other than gas, food and video - you're talking a 45 minute drive up and over the mountains to get to even a doctor's appt. While 45 minutes isn't that long it would be in an emergency. My DH and I both have family in the Mt. Shasta, McCloud, Dunsmuir, Weed area as well - I've spent my life visiting there and would love to live at the foot of Mt. Shasta or on the river....again, no work - it's either seasonal like ski patrol, firefighting or maybe if you're lucky you work for a lumber company...half of the town is on welfare and the closest "big city" of Redding is a good hour away in good weather. Beautiful areas and I'd love to live there but at this point I'm expecting it will be where I live after I retire.... MelissaD "Alison" wrote in message ... I visited some friends in northern (way northern) California last summer. They live in Humboldt County (about 100 miles from the Oregon border) in a tiny town called Rio Vista. Eureka is the big city (3,000?) and Arcata is the college town. The next biggest city is either Portland or the SF Bay area. We had to fly to Oakland, then rent a car and drive 5 hours. We looked into trains but one would have to first get from the airport to downtown Oakland, then take a train to Martinez, then an Amtrak BUS to Eureka. It's one of those towns that is hard to get to. (There is a tiny airport but it was more expensive to fly from Oakland to Eureka than it was to fly from New York to Oakland. Cheaper (and more useful) to rent a car.) Anyway - this is the kind of area where there aren't many jobs. And you can't really drive to a big city to get one either. If you're lucky you can work at the college in Arcata, or retail. I'd love to live there but I have to win the lotto first. Alison PS there is a Michaels and a Borders though and several good quilting shops 
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#362
February 13th 04, 02:49 AM
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That said, there are a great many others I would never consider giving
a stitched gift to! Darla Ain't that the truth! LOL Fortunately, I've had more positive experiences than negative.. the friends who cried when they opened their wedding gift (MLI's The Wedding) and have it as the ONLY picture on the wall 6 months after moving into their new house... my DS and DBIL who reacted similarly to everything I've done for them (DS stitches, so that's not a shock! LOL).. my parents who not only appreciate my work, but were the ones who taught me not only to appreciate the value of a hand-made gift, but also to write proper thank you's LOL. But then there is the co-worker who I did a Stoney Creek Sampler for because she loved it when she saw the book out (I was doing a peice for another co-worker), and always admired my stitching and did lots of different types of handwork herself. I never received a thank you, or saw the peice displayed in her home. (And it was a perfect match for her decor.) Since the marriage has now ended, I guess it's a bit of a non-issue, but then again, she also wondered why she didn't get a hand-made afghan for her daughter when she was born shrug. I've gotten over it.. but it was upsetting at the time. Paula H
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#364
February 13th 04, 11:38 AM
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On 2/12/04 10:37 PM, in article
, "Karen C - California" wrote: In article , pamfree (Paula Hubert-Vooght) writes: she also wondered why she didn't get a hand-made afghan for her daughter when she was born One of my co-workers put DS#1's romper out in the trash (I verified she didn't mean "gave to Goodwill") because "it was cluttering up the place". They planned to have more kids, so I'm not sure what the logic was of junking all the baby stuff as soon as DS#1 outgrew it. Then she wanted me to knit the identical thing in the identical colors for DS#2 (about 2 years younger than #1). With 8 months notice, I never did find the time to make anything for the second one. Of course, since she'd trashed everything, they needed to have a second baby shower. Several people who'd been party to the conversation about the romper followed my lead and bought the cheapest thing they could find. After all, why spend a lot of money on something that you know will go in the garbage next year? Funny you mention that - my neighbor works for Birthright. Yesterday over tea, she was telling about one of volunteers mentioned that she got rid of everything (burned it too) after each baby got to 2 or 3 years old. Something to do with bad luck. Strange world we live in. Cheryl
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#365
February 13th 04, 12:43 PM
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Let's face it- eastern rural and western rural are two different things but
they are still rural- and I notice no one has mentioned Appalachia. "Karen C - California" wrote in message ... OK, now, see, we're defining "rural" in different ways. Akron is (according to my 2002 almanac) the 81st largest city in the US, with a population of 217,000 in city limits and over half a million in the county. That's not "rural". It's not megalopolis, but it is "urban". As has also been pointed out, small towns within an hour's drive of big cities are no longer affordable, because those who work in the nearby city are driving up housing costs. E.g., the average price of a starter home in San Francisco proper is over half-a-mill. The average price of a starter home in Tracy was (at the start of the current boom) about $100,000. The locals are now being priced out because SF wages have allowed the newcomers to bid up the price of houses to levels that the locals can't afford on small town wages. $300,000 is reasonable to the SF-ans, and wholly ridiculous to the Tracyites. (Heck, the SF-ans have started buying houses in Roseville, which is almost *three* hours out of downtown SF.) Like Dianne, I'm defining "rural" as "rural". Farm town economy. Way-out-in-the-boonies vacation spot economy. Middle of the Nevada desert 200 miles from the nearest shopping mall. Praise the Lord if you've even got a job, and praise Him doubly if it pays a dime above minimum wage. One of my good friends lives in a town of 356 people. More cows than humans. She had to drive an hour to get a full-time office job in the nearest (ahem) "city", population 10,000. It's two hours to the nearest thing I'd call a "city". That's what Dianne and I are referring to as "rural area". I mean, if you want to stretch a point, five minutes from downtown Sacramento, within city limits, we still have a substantial amount of farmland. If that's your definition, then the 3d largest city in California is "rural". But any of those farm wives can be at a high-paying city job with a commute not long enough to dry their mascara. I'm referring to places like Markleeville (population of entire county 1208), Alturas (population of entire county 9500), Yreka (population of entire county 44,000), where a round-trip commute to the nearest city with decent-paying jobs would take more time than the 8 hours you'd put in on the job. (Y'all those places, and see what I mean.) They're a hundred miles *beyond* The Far Side of Nowhere. Some parts of rural Northern California, during snow season, are cut off from civilization for days at a time -- if you had a job in Sacramento, you'd either have to use all your vacation days in January, or spend big bucks to stay in a motel this side of the road closure, which defeats the cost-saving purpose of living in Upper Backwater. One of my former co-workers had in-laws in Quincy (population of entirety of Plumas County 20,000; population of town of Quincy a whopping 4500), and reported that 90% of the town was on welfare, because there were no jobs. Sure, the lucky ones might get hired as fire spotters during summer, or at the ski bowl during winter, but even they're off work and collecting welfare spring and fall. The junkheaps they call cars couldn't handle 100 miles a day to a job up the mountain in Susanville (population 14,000), and there are no buses (there may be Paratransit for the elderly and disabled, but that doesn't help poor working folks). You can't start a business, because you don't have the capital to buy the initial stock, and your neighbors don't have the money to buy what you're selling. It's places like that that fit the operative definition of "rural". You "could" live in Quincy on two people's minimum wage of $22,000 a year. The question is, where are you going to *get* that $22,000? There ain't no jobs to earn it at. You're 75 miles out of the nearest large town/small city, Chico (population 60,000). Who's a Chico employer going to hire, a college student who lives in town, or a semi-literate hayseed who may not make it to work whenever it snows? For argument's sake, the manager of the Chico McD's prefers someone who's not going to quit when they graduate, and goes with the Quincy resident. Lessee, 75 miles each way, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, gas @ 10c per mile, that's roughly $4000 of your $11,000 minimum wage going to commuting costs alone. And that's just gas -- not new tires, not wear and tear, not any of the other costs of driving a car 40,000 miles a year. That's the reality of rural living, not "Oh, I used to live in a place that had bus service and low unemployment." (per same almanac, 5.6% unemployment, per capita income $24,579). i.e., housing prices would be appropriate to the local average of two wage-earners with income of $49,000 a year; double the budget of our two people earning $22,000 between them. -- Finished 12/14/03 -- Mermaid (Dimensions) WIP: Fireman's Prayer, Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Paralegal - Writer - Editor - Researcher http://hometown.aol.com/kmc528/KMC.html
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#366
February 13th 04, 12:56 PM
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Interesting phenomena happening in some of the "eastern rural areas.
People are moving further from the city and then complaining about the neighboring animals. The smells from the piggeries, the rooster crowing, the odor from the spring and fall manure spread, dogs barking, sheep baaing, cows lowing, even the sound of the loons. I suspect you can figure out who I think are the loons in the case. Cheryl On 2/13/04 7:43 AM, in article t, "Judith Truly" wrote: Let's face it- eastern rural and western rural are two different things but they are still rural- and I notice no one has mentioned Appalachia. "Karen C - California" wrote in message ... OK, now, see, we're defining "rural" in different ways. Akron is (according to my 2002 almanac) the 81st largest city in the US, with a population of 217,000 in city limits and over half a million in the county. That's not "rural". It's not megalopolis, but it is "urban". As has also been pointed out, small towns within an hour's drive of big cities are no longer affordable, because those who work in the nearby city are driving up housing costs. E.g., the average price of a starter home in San Francisco proper is over half-a-mill. The average price of a starter home in Tracy was (at the start of the current boom) about $100,000. The locals are now being priced out because SF wages have allowed the newcomers to bid up the price of houses to levels that the locals can't afford on small town wages. $300,000 is reasonable to the SF-ans, and wholly ridiculous to the Tracyites. (Heck, the SF-ans have started buying houses in Roseville, which is almost *three* hours out of downtown SF.) Like Dianne, I'm defining "rural" as "rural". Farm town economy. Way-out-in-the-boonies vacation spot economy. Middle of the Nevada desert 200 miles from the nearest shopping mall. Praise the Lord if you've even got a job, and praise Him doubly if it pays a dime above minimum wage. One of my good friends lives in a town of 356 people. More cows than humans. She had to drive an hour to get a full-time office job in the nearest (ahem) "city", population 10,000. It's two hours to the nearest thing I'd call a "city". That's what Dianne and I are referring to as "rural area". I mean, if you want to stretch a point, five minutes from downtown Sacramento, within city limits, we still have a substantial amount of farmland. If that's your definition, then the 3d largest city in California is "rural". But any of those farm wives can be at a high-paying city job with a commute not long enough to dry their mascara. I'm referring to places like Markleeville (population of entire county 1208), Alturas (population of entire county 9500), Yreka (population of entire county 44,000), where a round-trip commute to the nearest city with decent-paying jobs would take more time than the 8 hours you'd put in on the job. (Y'all those places, and see what I mean.) They're a hundred miles *beyond* The Far Side of Nowhere. Some parts of rural Northern California, during snow season, are cut off from civilization for days at a time -- if you had a job in Sacramento, you'd either have to use all your vacation days in January, or spend big bucks to stay in a motel this side of the road closure, which defeats the cost-saving purpose of living in Upper Backwater. One of my former co-workers had in-laws in Quincy (population of entirety of Plumas County 20,000; population of town of Quincy a whopping 4500), and reported that 90% of the town was on welfare, because there were no jobs. Sure, the lucky ones might get hired as fire spotters during summer, or at the ski bowl during winter, but even they're off work and collecting welfare spring and fall. The junkheaps they call cars couldn't handle 100 miles a day to a job up the mountain in Susanville (population 14,000), and there are no buses (there may be Paratransit for the elderly and disabled, but that doesn't help poor working folks). You can't start a business, because you don't have the capital to buy the initial stock, and your neighbors don't have the money to buy what you're selling. It's places like that that fit the operative definition of "rural". You "could" live in Quincy on two people's minimum wage of $22,000 a year. The question is, where are you going to *get* that $22,000? There ain't no jobs to earn it at. You're 75 miles out of the nearest large town/small city, Chico (population 60,000). Who's a Chico employer going to hire, a college student who lives in town, or a semi-literate hayseed who may not make it to work whenever it snows? For argument's sake, the manager of the Chico McD's prefers someone who's not going to quit when they graduate, and goes with the Quincy resident. Lessee, 75 miles each way, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, gas @ 10c per mile, that's roughly $4000 of your $11,000 minimum wage going to commuting costs alone. And that's just gas -- not new tires, not wear and tear, not any of the other costs of driving a car 40,000 miles a year. That's the reality of rural living, not "Oh, I used to live in a place that had bus service and low unemployment." (per same almanac, 5.6% unemployment, per capita income $24,579). i.e., housing prices would be appropriate to the local average of two wage-earners with income of $49,000 a year; double the budget of our two people earning $22,000 between them. -- Finished 12/14/03 -- Mermaid (Dimensions) WIP: Fireman's Prayer, Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Paralegal - Writer - Editor - Researcher http://hometown.aol.com/kmc528/KMC.html
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#367
February 13th 04, 05:30 PM
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In article , Cheryl Isaak
writes: Interesting phenomena happening in some of the "eastern rural areas. People are moving further from the city and then complaining about the neighboring animals. Happening in the west, too. "We paid a million dollars for this mansion, and now we find that the neighbor applies fertilizer to his crops." As I said earlier, any farmland within 50 miles of a California city is now being sold to developers, not to someone interested in farming, so we have a lot of new luxury houses being built right next to a working farm. You got to wonder how bright these executives are that they have no clue that a farm is a noisy, smelly place before they move in next door. -- Finished 12/14/03 -- Mermaid (Dimensions) WIP: Fireman's Prayer, Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Paralegal - Writer - Editor - Researcher http://hometown.aol.com/kmc528/KMC.html
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#368
February 13th 04, 05:40 PM
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Brenda Lewis wrote:
Another question: Why do we think it is dreadful that children do not send thank you notes for gifts we give to them when most adults do not send a thank you note when they receive a gift from a child? Agreed! Most of my friends' kids are quite little - too little to know what giving gifts really means, but last Christmas one of the slightly older ones (she's five) helped her mother make some sweets to give to me. I had dinner with her mother, and, afterwards, sent the little girl a postcard, which her mother said she absolutely loved, at least partly because of the novelty of getting something in the post with her own name on it. I have resolved to do that with all the others as they grow up, to get them into good habits! It still amazes me the number of people who don't even acknowledge gifts sent to their kids, let alone say thanks for them (I'm not talking about the kids themselves here - what hope do they have?). I used to post a lot of stuff overseas and now with the internet I order stuff in other countries to be delivered locally and I would really like to know that the things I ordered actually arrived safely. I have no objections to an e-mail - "Your present arrived - thanks" is all I'm asking for, but even that seems to be too much.
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#369
February 13th 04, 06:16 PM
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February 14th 04, 01:04 AM
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