Some OT, some not. A little venting, a little beadmaking talk....

Oh no...I'm not getting into trouble over this. nu uh!
..

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Candace, just wrap your mind around me! I can always use some input from
my
muse.

From: "~Candace~"

I
sat here and sat here trying to get my brain to wrap around this
discussion
again, and it just won't. Arrgghhh....



.Stephanie.

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Another friend, if he saw them on his stoop, would take off all his clothes,
open the dorr and say "yes, what can I do for you". They left quickly.

I love this! I may do that next time they show up -- or as soon as I find out
who they are (and I'm home, not out and about, of course). Start disrobing. I
bet they're gone before I peel off enough to make *me* blush!
~~
Sooz
The things that will destroy us a politics without principle; pleasure
without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business
without morality; science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice. - M.
Ghandi

There are lots of things that are pretty simple that people can do. I'm
especially thinking of new houses. And I'm thinking of things besides wheel
chairs too. Mostly it's a matter of being aware. With awareness comes more
common use and with that prices go down.

This is overly simple, but things have to start someplace. An example is
door knobs. Used to be door knobs were normally round. But a straight door
handle was designed for arthritics and was widely enough used that it has
become an only slightly more expensive variation, and is easily found now.
And most interior halls already are at least 36", and would accommodate a
36" door.

A realtor friend of mine used to say "walls are easy". It's usually just
not that hard to move walls, to change rooms. It's usual when buying an old
house to reposition walls. Old houses are "out-dated" when rooms and
closets are too small, and are routinely changed from 4 or 5 bedrooms to 3,
especially since people also now have fewer children as a rule.

So mostly, people need awareness. Including the knowledge that people often
need door knobs they can open more easily when they get older. Including
knowledge that America is getting bigger and a 30" hall isn't wide enough
anyway. Including that it is common for people, most people, to need some
sort of aid walking at some time in their lives.

Even if we don't think in terms of people like Kevin or (sometimes) Kathy
NV, we do need accommodation for grammas who can't walk (no matter whose,
and including our grandchildren's), and of hands that can't grip a knob.
It's normal.

Tina


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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My house is totally out of the question; two flights of stairs just to
get to the front door.

I've thought about that because we plan on staying here our entire
lives, which may mean pouring a ramp that goes around the house. I read
about issues regarding making new construction ADA-friendly, and it
seems that the overwhelmong response is that people shouldn't "have to"
live in ADA compliant houses. That makes no sense to me... who would
care? "Oh, no, disabled people can get into my house!" What, do they
fear being robbed by roving gangs of criminal quads? If it's a house
being built by the people who are going to live there, of course they
should build it however they like... but perhaps they should have some
foresight and build it ADA-compliant (it's not like it costs more) and
if it's being built by a developer, why would THEY care? And people need
to be aware that they aren't the last people who will live in a
building, and perhaps spend just a MOMENT thinking for the future.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay

Dr. Sooz wrote:
I have always wondered why, why why why, they do that? WHY? Why not a
little ramp? It costs no more to pour a small concrete ramp than it does
to pour a concrete step.


It's a lack of thinking. Because a ramp in easier to build than stairs
are.
Of course, you have to have room to make the ramp the proper grade, or
you can
exit a house at 70 mph! Uh oh, watch out, flying quad!

Consciousness raising is all a lot of people need, and they become more
than
willing to build proper manifestations of a disabled-friendly world.
I've gone
into places and told the manager I will not shop there, because a
wheelchair
has no access. And all you have to do to force a place to build a
ramp -- a
store, or some other serving-the-public biz -- is write a letter of
complaint
to ---- I forget who. I'm also not sure how many letters it takes to
require
them to build access. My mind is a sieve! Sheesh...

Businesses are one thing, homes are another. We had a hell of a time
finding a
place to rent 2 years ago. And we can't go to anyone's house for
dinner, to
watch a game, or whatever. It's sort of funny, really. We don't have
enough
chairs here to have more than a guest or two, because they get in
Kevin's way
and we don't need them for just my butt. However, we can't go visiting
because
we don't fancy hanging out in people's driveways. And going out to
dinner with
friends utterly and completely exhausts me by the time the entree is
served
(getting Kevin packed up, in and out of the straps in the van, into the
restaurant, and set up with accoutrements of menu-reading and eating,
whew) --
I'm not sparkling and witty no more. Haw! So our social lives are sort
of
dried up.


The house I grew up in was like that; there was
a concrete slab for the porch, with one small step down and a concrete
walkway to the driveway. They could have just poured the walkway so it
ramped up to the level of the porch, but no. They had to create an
obstacle for everything/everyone using wheels for transportation. It was
even inconvenient for my mom, who was an able-bodied thirtysomething at
the time; she had one of those little 2-wheel carts to go grocery
shopping with.



~~
Sooz
The things that will destroy us a politics without principle;
pleasure
without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character;
business
without morality; science without humanity, and worship without
sacrifice. - M.
Ghandi

Did they say (dramatically), "We can feel your pain!"

Tina


"Dr. Sooz" wrote in message
...
Actually, I don't think LDS missionaries are supposed to be out tracting
after
dark either. Definitely creepy.

Yeah, it seemed odd to me too. Their tactics were overzealous. I can see
them
going downtown, maybe talking to stray kids on streetcorners, or drug
addicts....but an older woman in a nice neighborhood, walking her dog? I
must've looked way needy somehow! Haw haw!
~~
Sooz
The things that will destroy us a politics without principle; pleasure
without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character;
business
without morality; science without humanity, and worship without
sacrifice. - M.
Ghandi

Hahahaha! I thought the same thing...

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay

~Candace~ wrote:
Oh no...I'm not getting into trouble over this. nu uh!
.

"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

Candace, just wrap your mind around me! I can always use some input from
my
muse.


From: "~Candace~"

I
sat here and sat here trying to get my brain to wrap around this
discussion
again, and it just won't. Arrgghhh....



.Stephanie.

Gotta Question?
Google: rec.craft.bead
http://tinyurl.com/5wm36

So mostly, people need awareness. Including the knowledge that people
often
need door knobs they can open more easily when they get older. Including
knowledge that America is getting bigger and a 30" hall isn't wide enough
anyway. Including that it is common for people, most people, to need some
sort of aid walking at some time in their lives.

Very true. We picked a lot of "goodies", or plan to redo some things we left
on the cheap side of the options, for convenience and comfort, like
lever-style door hardware (I love levers when your hands are full!), handles
on kitchen cabinets and drawers even though they have a bottom lip for
opening, and a lowered island height because I've always wanted a place
that's easier to knead bread and pie dough on (it's amazing what 6" less
will give you in leverage). The island has to wait, but it WILL happen
within a year. Seems dumb in some ways to build, just to demolish, but it
ends up being cheaper than paying for it via the design center. And some
things they just refused to customize on. sigh

KarenK

Did they say (dramatically), "We can feel your pain!"

snort DD loves a store in the mall called "Hot Topic". They have t-shirts
with a cheery looking bunny called Happy Bunny and all sorts of rather
snotty sayings. Some are just over-the-top rude, but some of them give me a
chuckle. One of my favorites is "I feel your pain......I just don't care."
Sometimes, when I'm just tired of DD's latest schoolyard drama, I'll tell
her "go away, I'm having a Happy Bunny moment." G

KarenK (who said Moms ALWAYS have to be sympathetic???)

One of my favorites is "I feel your pain......I just don't care."

LOL, Karen. My DD loves that store, too. I think my fave Happy Bunny saying
is "it's cute how you think I'm listening." LOL.



Carol in SLC
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AAAAAAK My favorite!!!!


..Stephanie.

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(who said Moms ALWAYS have to be sympathetic???)

We don't. Sometimes when 9yo dd is describing her new favorite TV commercial
(the parts of life we all fast forward thru), I look at her and say

"You're babbling." Now she's able to get a grip on herself sometimes and say:
"Mom, I'm babbling, aren't I?"



Yes, dear.

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LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)