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Thank Kalera,
That's what I was trying to think of. My memory is a spaghetti strainer
anymore.
lol

--
Debbie (New Mexico)
Life is too short
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Paganism isn't a specific religion, it's a category of religions...
Wicca is a pagan religion, and so is Druidism, and so are native
American and Africa religions, etc.

-Kalera
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JL Paules wrote:
I've learned that being Wiccan is not the same thing as being a Pagan.
Wiccan is a relatively new religion whereas Paganism has been around
since
rocks were invented. (Sarah corrected me when I called her a Wiccan.) I
find
it fascinating so you may talk to me about it any time you'd like. :-)



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Right on.
Diana

"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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Thanks for a really beautiful post, Kathy.

-Kalera
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Kathy N-V wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:48:56 -0400, Debbie B wrote
(in message . net):


That's similar to what I told them.



They could have it worse - they could have me. I'm one of those people
that
TPTB of organized religion fears - a *thinking* Catholic woman with a
sense
of humor. I've read all the doctrine, and the initial Catholic Church
appeals to me - not today's nearly unrecognizable version. (So much of
today's church is so far removed from the original form of worship, it's
amazing) I also think that God has a great sense of humor, and
appreciates it
when His creations laugh.

I especially love the untarnished expressions of faith done in
generations
long ago. Mexican retablos (painted metal expressions of thanks for a
miracle - said miracle could be anything from a life saving cure to
finding a
lost earring) appeal to me. I say the Rosary and mean it, and am
horrified
when people use prayer as a weapon - a prayer that someone be harmed is
offensive beyond words.

The sameness of the form of worship, the symbolicism of the incense,
candles
and most aspects of the Mass are comforting to me. Something that has
gone
essentially unchanged for millenia is amazing, all by itself. Things
start
to go wrong when Man, management, and money stomp their big clumsy feet
into
what should be a giving expression of gratitude to God and reverence for
all
His creations. (BTW, I use the capitalized "God" and "He" as a measure
of
respect. I believe that the being I call God is so far beyond feeble
human
understanding that gender and names are meaningless. It's my imperfect
way
of communicating how I feel)

I love the silly part of religion as well. I have Saint Claire statues
on
all the televisions (she's the patron saint of TV because she had a
vision of
Mass from miles away, long before anyone dreamt of television), Saint
Isadore
lives on the modems, and "Our Lady of Extreme Acceleration and Green
Traffic
Lights" is often mentioned when in a rush. I have milgros in my nicho
(little metal body parts dedicated to God in exchange for healing in an
altar
dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe), and my Tantes send me souvenirs
from
Lourdes to "cure" me. Sure, they're plastic, but they're more
expressions of
love from the Tantes, and I'd think God understands the sentiment if not
the
plastic.

The one thing I am not is exclusive. As I've studied ancient
civilizations,
I have found striking similarities in the folktales in widely divergent
cultures describe the creation of Earth, the "Noah and the Flood" tale,
and
many archetypes that some Christians think are the Biblical truth. This
leads me to believe that there is some common factor behind all the
stories,
and I happen to call it God. When we contact beings from other planets,
I
would be fascinated to know if they also have variations of the same
stories
-if I were a betting woman, I'd say they do.

The more I learn about science, the universe and the complexity and
beauty of
everything around us, the more I am reassured that there is a Higher
Power
far beyond anything I could comprehend. All this simply cannot be a
chain of
lucky coincidences - there's too much evidence to the contrary.

My arrogance does not reach the point where I say "my way to God is the
only
way." It cannot be. Billions of humans on this planet, and likely
untold
trillions on the inhabited planets in our universe, and being a Catholic
is
the only correct way to worship? Uh, I can't believe that for a moment.
My
path is only one of many, and my mission is to make the path as smooth
as I
can for my fellow travelers. It's that simple and that difficult.

Enjoy your golden bowl, and the peace that your altar brings. I hope
that
your family comes to understand that worship, like love, comes in
countless
forms and expressions.

Peace,

Kathy N-V

I sympathize... mine is totally shot too. For some reason I keep
thinking it'll get better with time... but it doesn't usually work that
way, does it?

-Kalera
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Debbie B wrote:
Thank Kalera,
That's what I was trying to think of. My memory is a spaghetti strainer
anymore.
lol

Yeah, I introduced mine to the idea slooowly. Luckily, he seems to think
it's "neat", so it's all good. I try not to do any moonlit naked bonfire
dancing, though!

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Debbie B wrote:
My now husband and I just stay away from any discussions. He will listen
tolerantly while I talk a little about it. I try not to overwhelm him or he
might get scared. LOL

I sympathize... mine is totally shot too. For some reason I keep
thinking it'll get better with time... but it doesn't usually work that
way, does it?

Does what work what way?
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
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huh?

~Candace~

I don't remember... what do you mean?

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
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Dr. Sooz wrote:
I sympathize... mine is totally shot too. For some reason I keep
thinking it'll get better with time... but it doesn't usually work that
way, does it?


Does what work what way?
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html

I tried it once but he threatened to have me committed. LOL

--
Debbie (New Mexico)
Life is too short
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I introduced mine to the idea slooowly. Luckily, he seems to think
it's "neat", so it's all good. I try not to do any moonlit naked bonfire
dancing, though!

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Debbie B wrote:
My now husband and I just stay away from any discussions. He will
listen
tolerantly while I talk a little about it. I try not to overwhelm him
or he
might get scared. LOL



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i would have thought the naked bonfire dances would be a selling point.
Diana

"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I introduced mine to the idea slooowly. Luckily, he seems to think
it's "neat", so it's all good. I try not to do any moonlit naked bonfire
dancing, though!

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Debbie B wrote:
My now husband and I just stay away from any discussions. He will
listen
tolerantly while I talk a little about it. I try not to overwhelm him
or he
might get scared. LOL

I don't remember... what do you mean?

Who?
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html