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Old June 20th 05, 06:31 PM
Betsy Ross
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Throughout history, women have had their
breasts lifted up, pointed out, pushed
down , in, together and apart. Women's
waists and hips have been similarly
manipulated.

With the exception of padding cod
pieces, have men EVER been put through
so much to artificially change the body
shape?

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Old June 20th 05, 07:46 PM
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Betsy Ross wrote:

Throughout history, women have had their breasts lifted up, pointed out,
pushed down , in, together and apart. Women's waists and hips have been
similarly manipulated.

With the exception of padding cod pieces, have men EVER been put through
so much to artificially change the body shape?



In the 18th C they stuffed their stockings with sawdust to make bigger,
more manly calf muscles!

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Old June 20th 05, 08:16 PM
She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston
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In article , Kate
Dicey of Customer of PlusNet plc (http://www.plus.net) uttered

In the 18th C they stuffed their stockings with sawdust to make bigger,
more manly calf muscles!


And at various times have worn strange shoes. Not quite the same in
terms of having your innards permanently rearranged though.
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Old June 20th 05, 09:01 PM
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She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston Guild wrote:
In article , Kate
Dicey of Customer of PlusNet plc (http://www.plus.net) uttered


In the 18th C they stuffed their stockings with sawdust to make
bigger, more manly calf muscles!


And at various times have worn strange shoes. Not quite the same in
terms of having your innards permanently rearranged though.


They wear neckties. Now, whatever would it take to get you to put a
noose around your neck every working day? The necktie is the most
bizarre article of clothing ever invented, even more bizarre than the
codpiece. Or the strapless bra.

They wear suits. With shirts, often an undershirt under that shirt.
Sometimes a vest over it. Men, who do not tend to get cold, wear many
layers of clothing, even during hot weather. Women wear sleeveless
tops, sundresses, even tube tops, but suffer from every change in
temperature, so that cold air conditioning blasting on them tends to
turn their lips blue. Meanwhile, the men in their 3-piece suits,
shirts, undershirts, and the imfamous necktie, are just barely
comfortable.

The most amazing part of all of this is that we think that we are
intelligent and superior to the "lower" animals. Hmmmmph. You wouldn't
catch a chimpanzee dressing like we do!
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Old June 21st 05, 06:33 PM
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"Betsy Ross" wrote in message
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Throughout history, women have had their breasts lifted up, pointed out,
pushed down , in, together and apart. Women's waists and hips have been
similarly manipulated.

With the exception of padding cod pieces, have men EVER been put through
so much to artificially change the body shape?


During the Regency period men wore corsets and also strapped their shoulders
down with a harness arrangement to make them look narrow and slopped. It was
fashionable for the upper classes to look as if they had never done manual
labor so the "hunk" look was supposedly out. The also starched stiff pointed
shirt collars worn UP, not folded down over their ties, ascots, or whatever
you called them, so that they actually jabbed into the soft under jaw unless
the head was held up at all times "nose in the air" so to speak. The ultra
dandy wore his collar points so high that they actually acted like blinders
and they couldn't move their head but had to turn their entire body to look
to the side. From some of the research I've done they also bound their feet
somewhat to keep them quite narrow, another sign of the 'upper classes' not
doing manual labor. It was not uncommon to put corsets on infants (both male
and female) and have them wear them at all times other than when bathing,
which wasn't all that often, to narrow the rib cage and little harnesses to
keep shape the shoulders in a downward slope. These people were in corsets
practically from birth to death. That practice was fazed out during the
beginning of the Victorian period for males and at the mid part for infant
and juvenile females as unhygienic, at that time meaning 'not healthy'. DUH!

I was thinking about a suit of armor, was that fashion or necessity?
Perhaps both in some circumstances. Rather interesting to do a little
Googling on this as sit in my sweats and bare feet LOL

Val


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Old June 22nd 05, 04:42 PM
Andy Dingley
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:16:33 GMT, She who would like to be obeyed once
every Preston Guild wrote:

Not quite the same in
terms of having your innards permanently rearranged though.


Men (18th-19th C) did use corsetry to this extent, just not so commonly.
Only the dedicated follower of fashion went to these extremes, not the
average debutante.

Western European men haven't gone for body modification to anything like
the same extent as women. IMHO, this is largely because of the cold
climate and prevailing standards of modesty regarding bare skin. It's
largely unacceptable to flaunt anything bare, so fashion depended
instead on silhouette. The aesthetic of women is about curves - whether
they should or shouldn't be there, and pushing them up or binding them
flat according to fashion. Men just don't have such curves - we're
boring rectangles or triangular at most. Although you can make a man as
wasp-waisted as any woman (e.g. Mr. Sebastian), this isn't seen as
accentuating the "attractive" aspects of that season's idealised male
form. Nor can you squeeze a man into having broader shoulders, bigger
calves or a protuberant codpiece -- you have to pad it. Not that
padding, as bustles, panniers or bumrolls, aren't something that women
haven't also used through the ages.

A lard squeezer corset is a different thing, and as applicable to fat
men as it is to fat women. This isn't body-modification, it's just fat
old mutton squeezing itself vaguely lamb-shaped, no matter what your
gender.


If you want to see men practicing extremes of body re-shaping for
decoration, go somewhere warmer where the _surface_ of the skin was the
primary attractant, not the body shape.

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Old June 23rd 05, 02:32 AM
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It was not unknown in the latter part of the Victorian era for Woman to have
lengths of their "innards" removed as it was thought to give a better shape
i.e. corsets could be tightened further.
The general consensus was that there was so much intestines etc. that a few
feet less wouldn't matter!!.Amelia
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:16:33 GMT, She who would like to be obeyed once
every Preston Guild wrote:

Not quite the same in
terms of having your innards permanently rearranged though.


Men (18th-19th C) did use corsetry to this extent, just not so commonly.
Only the dedicated follower of fashion went to these extremes, not the
average debutante.

Western European men haven't gone for body modification to anything like
the same extent as women. IMHO, this is largely because of the cold
climate and prevailing standards of modesty regarding bare skin. It's
largely unacceptable to flaunt anything bare, so fashion depended
instead on silhouette. The aesthetic of women is about curves - whether
they should or shouldn't be there, and pushing them up or binding them
flat according to fashion. Men just don't have such curves - we're
boring rectangles or triangular at most. Although you can make a man as
wasp-waisted as any woman (e.g. Mr. Sebastian), this isn't seen as
accentuating the "attractive" aspects of that season's idealised male
form. Nor can you squeeze a man into having broader shoulders, bigger
calves or a protuberant codpiece -- you have to pad it. Not that
padding, as bustles, panniers or bumrolls, aren't something that women
haven't also used through the ages.

A lard squeezer corset is a different thing, and as applicable to fat
men as it is to fat women. This isn't body-modification, it's just fat
old mutton squeezing itself vaguely lamb-shaped, no matter what your
gender.


If you want to see men practicing extremes of body re-shaping for
decoration, go somewhere warmer where the _surface_ of the skin was the
primary attractant, not the body shape.



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Old June 23rd 05, 12:18 PM
Andy Dingley
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:32:51 GMT, "romanyroamer"
wrote:

It was not unknown in the latter part of the Victorian era for Woman to have
lengths of their "innards" removed


This is a myth (counter-examples welcome). Abdominal surgery of this
seriousness in Victorian times wasn't a reliably survival process, let
alone cosmetically viable.

I've never heard of intestine resection for this purpose. It's pointless
anyway (intestines are small and squishy - just keeping them less full
will have the same effect).

What's usually reported is removal of the lower floating ribs. Apart
from the recent tabloid reports of Cher / Pamela Anderson / Marilyn
Manson having had them removed, this is the usual "corset surgery myth".
It appears that it began in 1900 with Anna Held, actress and wife of Flo
Ziegfeld - theatrical promoter and all-round charlatan publicist. It's
no more likely that she had any ribs removed than she bathed in asses'
milk (as Ziegfeld also reported for publicity purposes).

Of course ribs are sometimes removed. It's a rare operation, but it is
done today - almost entirely for male-female transexuals. In the absence
of the right pelvis to give feminine hips, removing the ribs is the next
option.

In Victorian times, bodies were certainly re-shaped by corsetry. But
this was corsetry, not surgery. Ribs weren't removed, but they culd be
displaced so as to overlap the lower ribs.

I work in Bath, where the costume museum has one of the finest
collections of such corsetry. Looking at historical corsets we find that
the waist goes down to 24" and only in the rarest of case do they go
below this. I have friends today who wear corsets smaller than this.

If you want a really detailed and accurate history of the corset, read
Valerie Steele's "The Corset: A Cultural History"



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Old June 23rd 05, 05:49 PM
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men made the rules in times past-cause they brought home the money...

now that women are self-supporting they don't wear bras much-just
camisoles to keep them from jiggling.....

men are starting to mold their bodies now-i order to attract a woman
w/big paycheck.








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Old June 23rd 05, 06:11 PM
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In article , of
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men made the rules in times past-cause they brought home the money...

now that women are self-supporting they don't wear bras much-just
camisoles to keep them from jiggling.....

men are starting to mold their bodies now-i order to attract a woman
w/big paycheck.

What a load of twaddle!
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