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Here y'are Noreen!
YarnWright wrote:
. . . I opened this, and there was nothing THERE! Can someone re-post this, please? TIA Noreen "Lisa" wrote in message ... I will make no more responses and will be unsubscribing to this newsgroup. Good. I am certain that this will make some of you happy. FYI: I came here with an open mind and heart. Uh, no you didn't. I came to learn and SHARE. I thought I would find the same. I had no intention of writing what I have. Then, why did you? You could have just kept quiet, lurked and found out what this group is about. I did not seek out the posts that I responded to, but I could not just walk away and say nothing. Yes, you could have, but instead chose to slander people you know nothing about. I have made no other posts like this in any of the other newsgroups and certainly don't intend to. Good. You're very long winded. If we cross paths in another news group, so be it. I have said my piece and I stand by my opinions. I am sorry you choose to see it differently. I have no problem with people having a difference of opinion with me. Obviously you do. I even feel that we could possibly agree on some points. Doesn't seem likely But people don't have to be rude, smug, or biggoted to someone who is asking for help. You're the one saying people here are that. I say most of them aren't. Seems to me you're assuming a lot. And there's where the difference of opinions come in. You DO have a problem with it, so quit saying you don't. Perhaps you could choose your words more carefully. You certainly need to. Perhaps you could open your minds and hearts a little bit more. Why, because YOU say so? And because a lot of us are more cautious about doing what you seem so willing to do? Sounds quite judgemental to me. Just send the kid a book and leave it at that. I'm sure you'll get your just rewards at some time. Shelahg |
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TimG, Melinda, DAB and David Skye
"Lisa" wrote in message
... Well, I just started looking at your newsgroup and I must say that I am appalled!!!! Let's read some of these comments again!!!! "Well, it sounds like your options truly are limited. Maybe you just need to wait a few years until you are no longer under your dad's authority and your options expand a lot more." Sounds sarcastic to me!!!! Perhaps you were looking for a different word? Sarcasm: "Using praise to personally mock someone (verbal irony); the word comes from the Greek word sarkazein meaning "to tear flesh." Not sure where the irony, wit, or humor was in that comment. "Learning to live within one's means, whether those are financial means or other means such as what you are permitted to do, is a great builder of character. I have friends who are missionaries in Singapore and live with the Singaporean restrictions on what they can do compared to what the USA allows, and they are also living within their means in that regard." You must be pretty special to have friends that are missionaries......... Now THAT is an example of sarcasm. where did you ever get the idea that this 19 yo kid has no character and needs to work on building some. Pretty insulting comment. Where was it said that the OP lacked character? Where was it really inferred? He does not need, nor did he ask for "character building" lessons from you! "Thankfully, someone gave you one option, and that should give you something to work on for a while." OOOhhhh, be grateful, you poor boy. Someone gave you ONE option! Actually... MANY options were given. Including "Vintage Purls" wrote in message oups.com... I wished to try and make any variations to it and making new shapes of the Ojos de Dios. Instructions for 8-sided: http://ojos-de-dios.com/ojodirections.html " "Not Likely" notinthislifetime@yougottabejoking wrote in message ... Hello Timothy! I'm sorry, I don't have any book to make these pretty designs, but I just went searching on Google when I saw your posted message. Unfortunately these are all I could find... snipped I hope these urls help a little bit. *hugs* Gemini (Ontario, Canada)" snipped To David Skye: I would like to know just what it was that indicated to you that Tim was lazy and demanding. I got nothing like that from any of his posts. And if you think that those posts from Melinda and DAB were mild, then either you did not read carefully enough or like Melinda and DAB, you are bigoted and narcississtic. Those posts might have been considered mild, had Tim deserved what was doled out to him. But he didn't, which makes those comments just plain mean! And we wonder why people in other countries don't like us!?!?! God help all of you.....you all need it! By the way Melinda......yes, I will send a book to Malaysia. Here's a question for you. Do you even KNOW WHAT BOOK HE WANTS? Because the OP was asked, more than once, just what it was he wanted. He repeated, more than once "I've heard from people and websites that there is a book on Ojos de Dios and It is said to contain Instructions and new models that i've never heard and tried before.I wished to have this book but I can't afford it from Ebay or Amazon or any book selling sites. I wondered if there is anyone who is willing and generously lend me the book on Ojos de Dios? If there is anyone giving it,It will be most appreciated and generous of you all.I ask because I would like to try out the new patterns that I've never tried before." AND - when folks gave him other suggestions, websites, pamphlets, etc. the OP had the UNMITIGATED GALL to say "for now I'm counting on anyone who is willing to lend me a book on Ojos de Dios.Plus my Dad does not allow buying stuffs from Internet so thanks for your suggestion.....Your suggestion keeps my options opened. snip keep suggesting till I'm satisfied.I'm not interested in pamphlets as I'm interested in books only." My thoughts? Baseing your opinion of the folks on this ng on a single thread initiated by a person asking for a handout.... a person, not very specific in just what he wanted, but VERY SPECIFIC that it had to be more than something he could find free on the internet, is JUST AS IMPROPER as what you accuse them of. "TimGalisin88" wrote in message oups.com... On May 24, 11:39 pm, Madelaine wrote: TimGalisin88 wrote: Thanks for the website.......I appreciate it.....any other Ojos de Dios patterns that I can try on besides what was suggested and diamond- shaped Ojos de Dios.It is because I've already seen it but still not satisfied enough because I still want to try out the patterns that I've never tried before.( i just gone too hardcore....am I???) so I humbly ask just this..... "I've heard from people and websites that there is a book on Ojos de Dios and It is said to contain Instructions and new models that i've never heard and tried before.I wished to have this book but I can't afford it from Ebay or Amazon or any book selling sites. I wondered if there is anyone who is willing and generously lend me the book on Ojos de Dios? If there is anyone giving it,It will be most appreciated and generous of you all.I ask because I would like to try out the new patterns that I've never tried before." so If there is anyone who is understanding and generous and willing to help me.....Please help me out..... Hi Madelaine, Thanks for suggesting but I still cannot afford to buy it online as the currency conversion from US Dollar to Malaysian Ringgit is way expensive so I cannot afford them.So please don't ask me to buy from Ebay,Amazon or any book-selling sites.So....for now I'm counting on anyone who is willing to lend me a book on Ojos de Dios.Plus my Dad does not allow buying stuffs from Internet so thanks for your suggestion.....Your suggestion keeps my options opened. So my options are still opened....keep suggesting till I'm satisfied.I'm not interested in pamphlets as I'm interested in books only. Thanks and have a nice day. Timothy G. of Sabah,Malaysia. |
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To: TimG, Melinda, DAB and David Skye
Well, I just started looking at your newsgroup and I must say that I am
appalled!!!! Let's read some of these comments again!!!! "Well, it sounds like your options truly are limited. Maybe you just need to wait a few years until you are no longer under your dad's authority and your options expand a lot more." Sounds sarcastic to me!!!! "Learning to live within one's means, whether those are financial means or other means such as what you are permitted to do, is a great builder of character. I have friends who are missionaries in Singapore and live with the Singaporean restrictions on what they can do compared to what the USA allows, and they are also living within their means in that regard." You must be pretty special to have friends that are missionaries.........where did you ever get the idea that this 19 yo kid has no character and needs to work on building some. Pretty insulting comment. He does not need, nor did he ask for "character building" lessons from you! "Thankfully, someone gave you one option, and that should give you something to work on for a while." OOOhhhh, be grateful, you poor boy. Someone gave you ONE option! "So how much money do you need and where would one send it if so inclined to help you out?" Where did he say anything about money? Did he pass your test? I know a test question when I hear one!!!! "I looked and was not able to find any book like what you are talking about, and it takes some gall to ask someone to loan a book to a stranger overseas. What's the title of the book, and have you checked used book sites, which is where I always look for books before I buy them brand new?" OK, so he asked if someone could lend him the book. If you had the book, you wouldn't necessarily have had to send him the damn book. Make copies and send the copies. "He is asking for us to send him the money is my guess." If he was looking for money, he would have asked for money. He asked for a damn book! "Actually, it sounded more like he wanted us to send him the BOOK. BUt if his dad won't let him buy things off of the internet, he's a kid. The "88" in his ID might lead one to believe he is 17 or 18." The 88 could also be his house number......ever see "You've Got Mail"? "Still, I stand by my statement that it is a wise and prudent thing for one's character and integrity to live within one's capabilities and not go cyberbegging." How dare you! You insinuate that because he asked for someone to send him a book, that he has no character or integrity and that he can't live within his capabilities. How the hell do you know what his capabilities are? I have a feeling he has far more character and integrity than the two of you! "Uh, he claims to be in Indonesia. If this is true, then your suggestions might not help." What indicated to you that he was lieing about where he comes from? "Oh good point." The two of you are literally talking about him as though he is not even there anymore, or that he will never look for a response to his post ever again. "My apologies -- it's Malaysia, not Indonesia. At any rate, it's still in the same part of the world as in not within the bounds of the United States." Yup......don't want to do something for someone who doesn't live in the Good Ol' United States. Malaysia, Indonesia.....what's the difference......they ain't white!!! "There are libraries and art teachers outside of the USA. It's a perfectly valid suggestion that he search the local library, Malaysia has plenty of them." Oh, yes.....it is a perfectly valid suggestion.....but it is a sad commentary on the US today. I wonder......did it occur to the two of you that maybe if he is really poor, that he might already be at the library using a computer to make his post because he must be too poor to own a computer!!!!!!! "Well, given the area of the world that it is in and my lack of personal knowledge about the country, I would not automatically assume it is an affluent country." Hey! Dummy! I don't care how affluent a country is............there are still people who live in the affluent countrys who live far below poverty level. The affluence or lack thereof has nothing to do with the kid wanting to borrow.....borrow.....BORROW a book! "Then why comment on its resources at all?" "You seem to have automatically assumed that because Malaysia is outside of the USA it is deficient some how. Libraries are pretty basic resources, there would be few countries on this earth I would assume did not have some sort of library resource. If a country has Internet access, then I think it's reasonable to expect it has public collections of books." Just because a country has access to the internet, does not mean that the country's libraries are well stocked with current/diverse books, etc. One has nothing to do with the other. How do you know this kid isn't living in a rural area? Besides, he is asking about a craft that originates in Mexico and South America. It's not like he's asking about a craft that is "hot" right now, like knitting and beading. "I have friends who live in Singapore, which is practically right next door to Malaysia, Indonesia, etc., and my impression from what they say is that while Singapore is affluent, the surrounding countries are, for the most part, very poor. So it's not an automatic assumption, it's something based on some empiric data." Goody for you......you have friends. Hard to believe after your posts. "Singapore - Fantastic place! Absolutely on my "to visit again" list. Have you been to visit your friends?" Yes, lets show how well travelled we are. "I grant you that Malaysia is not as wealthy as Singapore but it's not what I would call poor. I live in New Zealand - we aren't as wealthy as Singapore either but we are so far from being a poor nation it isn't funny." Doesn't mean Malaysia is wealthy and has nothing to do with the fact that the kid is only asking for a book!!! "Yes, let's make this really simple. The thing about Usenet, is you're going to get the comments anyway, so don't try to tell people to be quiet. If you want some designs, do your own work and look them up on the Internet yourself. People here have been quite friendly, offering you help, which isn't good enough for you. You keep insisting you want someone to send/lend this book to a person who is totally unknown to them, no doubt they should pay the postage too." "You have a lot of nerve coming on here where noone knows you, asking to lend a book without a title, and then YOU are ****ed off?" "Yes, let's make this really simple. The thing about Usenet, is you're going to get the comments anyway, so don't try to tell people to be quiet. If you want some designs, do your own work and look them up on the Internet yourself. People here have been quite friendly, offering you help, which isn't good enough for you. You keep insisting you want someone to send/lend this book to a person who is totally unknown to them, no doubt they should pay the postage too." He never told you to be quiet.......he asked you not to make bad comments about him or his country. In other words, if you have nothing nice to say.......don't say anything at all. "That's the thing about the Internet - there are lots of liars and fakes, especially ones who try to part people from their money, so what do you expect when you come unknown to this group? People are right to be cautious, and if you don't like it, too bad." Yup.....lots of liars and fakes. Oh well, we don't have any of those in America, do we? They are only in foreign lands, like Nigeria!!!!! "And if people here want to discuss your country, they're going to discuss it. Maybe you need to back off. It doesn't sound like anyone has this unknown book and is willing to send it you." No wonder the rest of the world hates the US so much! We can say what ever we want about other countries. Don't have to be polite about it. We have that right! We're better and smarter than the rest of those countries out there! "Your posts sound like those Nigerian scam e-mails that have been circulating for years." Are you sure those posts come from Nigeria. You can't even keep Malaysia and Indonesia straight. I repeat, there must only be liars and fakes in foreign lands, like Nigeria! Oooohhhh.....and they are black there........God Help You! To Tim: I apologize for these people treating you the way they have. They were insulting to you and you gave them NO reason to treat you like that. I don't know where they are from, but I live in the US and I don't think the way they do. So please don't think all Americans are that rude and insulting and bigoted. I will look and see if I can find a good book on Ojo De Dios for you and if I can, I will send it to you. I have absolutely no problem with that. Send me an email address and then I will get your address. To Melinda and DAB: Where I work........you would be labeled as: racist, snobbish, narcississtic and paranoid. And I think that would be an accurate assessment of the two of you. You both make me so angry I could spit! How dare you talk to another human being like that. One could say that when we write, it is difficult to determine the feeling and thought behind those written words. I think your intent was quite clear. As I was writing this post.....I see that further down there are other responses from various other people. One tried to be nice to you (which neither of you deserved) and politely let you know that you were "out of line". But that wasn't enough for one of you..........you had to look this kid up and find out more about him..........so you come up with numerous requests from him for free material. Obviously that was suspect too! I wonder..........if, in fact he is poor......did it occur to you that perhaps he is looking for crafts to make/sell that might help to support his family. Or, perhaps he is looking for crafts to teach to others, maybe young children who have little or nothing, to give them something to do that is productive, and builds character and integrity. Or, maybe he is hoping to help his community by showing other adults these crafts, so they can do something to provide for their families. Or maybe it has nothing to do with poverty. Maybe he is a young man who follows his father's rules because he still lives in his father's home, and is attending college. Who knows what his reasons are. What difference does it make. He was only asking for a book. A book so he could teach himself something. A book on Ojo De Dios, "Eye of God". He wasn't asking for your checkbook. He said nothing about money. Someone is asking you about a book so he can teach himself to make something that represents "God" in some cultures. Instead of really trying to help him, you got nasty with him. You had an opportunity to do something good and you chose to ignore it. By the way.......have you seen the "God Speaks" billboards. Perhaps you should do a search for them and see what they have to say. Then, you add more insult to injury......."Most Americans get tired of people who constantly ask for handouts. That is not slander, it is just that begging is not socially acceptable in this country, as opposed to other countries where there is no means for an unemployable person to find a means of support." You accuse him of begging. He was asking for help. Hmmm, begging is not socially acceptable in this country, huh?!? Let's talk about the numbers of people who receive Social Security Disability (or are trying very hard to get it) and they don't deserve it. Let's talk about those people out there who don't want to work for a living and want to live off of some type of government assistance instead. I must clarify that I am not speaking of those who truly deserve these services. Nope! Begging in the US is not socially acceptable.......so people have found more savvy ways to get what they want. They know they can't beg, so they feign disabilities instead. You are right.....what you said about people asking for handouts is not slander. I agree, you did not slander Tim. You insulted him!!!!! To David Skye: I would like to know just what it was that indicated to you that Tim was lazy and demanding. I got nothing like that from any of his posts. And if you think that those posts from Melinda and DAB were mild, then either you did not read carefully enough or like Melinda and DAB, you are bigoted and narcississtic. Those posts might have been considered mild, had Tim deserved what was doled out to him. But he didn't, which makes those comments just plain mean! And we wonder why people in other countries don't like us!?!?! God help all of you.....you all need it! By the way Melinda......yes, I will send a book to Malaysia. |
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TimG, Melinda, DAB and David Skye
Yes, I saw your other suggestions. In all honesty, they sounded snotty!
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in message ... Hey, DAB, thanks for replying to this. The original message never Mae it to my news server. One tried to be nice to you (which neither of you deserved) and politely let you know that you were "out of line". But that wasn't enough for one of you..........you had to look this kid up and find out more about him..........so you come up with numerous requests from him for free material. Obviously that was suspect too! I just went looking to see if it was a scammer poised as a poor third-world country resident. He wasn't. But he *did* have a past history of posting to various crafts groups asking for handouts. Since I looked at his background where he plainly stated what he was doing and why, I offered some information to cover a bigger picture than what he was looking for. And FWIW it was my conclusion that he was not one of those really devious scammer, which is why I came back and posted other suggestions. (I am also not posting the exact reasons he stated for wanting this information on this newsgroup, which reasons colored my opinions and might color yours also.) I wonder..........if, in fact he is poor He specifically stated himself that he is not poor, but he did state that his father will not let him order anything off of the Internet, and he also said that the exchange rate between his local currency and dollars makes things unaffordable. ......did it occur to you that perhaps he is looking for crafts to make/sell that might help to support his family. Or, perhaps he is looking for crafts to teach to others, maybe young children who have little or nothing, to give them something to do that is productive, and builds character and integrity. Or, maybe he is hoping to help his community by showing other adults these crafts, so they can do something to provide for their families. All of which are excellent reasons to learn to be self-sufficient and not depend on handouts from other people, and all of which would make my suggestions about learning to spin/weave/knit from locally available fibers excellent ones for a good long-term solution. Go read in Queen Noor Al-Hussein's autobiography/memoirs, Leap of Faith, about what she did to help the desperately-poor people of Jordan is to work to give them opportunities to market locally-made handcrafts internationally. The workers did not need to ask for handouts. They used locally-available materials and Queen Noor made a way for them to be showcased internationally so that they would be sold and these crafters would earn money to help support their families. It was phenomenally successful and an excellent model to use. his reasons are. What difference does it make. He was only asking for a book. A book so he could teach himself something. A book on Ojo De Dios, "Eye of God". He wasn't asking for your checkbook. Uh, yeah, he was. He was asking me to pay the shipping charges on the book and to gamble that he would have the shipping charges and the volition to send it back when he was done with it. He said nothing about money. You're right. Nowhere did he offer to pay for the book, reimburse shipping costs in whole or in part, etc. Instead of really trying to help him, you got nasty with him. You had an opportunity to do something good and you chose to ignore it. Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for life. My philosophy is to teach them to fish, even sometimes give them a little bait so they know what they need to get, and then let them learn to fish so they can stand tall and not constantly have their hand out to others. You accuse him of begging. He was asking for help. He was asking for a handout. Help would have been asking for web links. To David Skye: I would like to know just what it was that indicated to you that Tim was lazy and demanding. I will concede that it could just be an issue of semantics, but I am pretty sure what David is referring to is people pointing Tim to web links, and then Tim replying back that we didn't understand what he was asking for; that he didn't want web links, he wanted someone to loan him a book. (If he had initially asked for an unneeded book and offered to pay for postage or to send something particularly culturally Malaysian in response, I would not have considered it begging at all. It would have been a fair exchange in my eyes.) any of his posts. And if you think that those posts from Melinda and DAB were mild, then either you did not read carefully enough or like Melinda and DAB, you are bigoted and narcississtic. Those posts might have been considered mild, had Tim deserved what was doled out to him. But he didn't, which makes those comments just plain mean! You are reading something into what I said, at least, that is far beyond what I said. God help all of you.....you all need it! By the way Melinda......yes, I will send a book to Malaysia. If you have money to be able to afford to give it to *everybody* who asks you for it, well, God bless you. I don't, neither do my children, and I try to teach them to work for themselves to get what they need as independently as possible rather than learn to live off the public dole. I would give my own child the same suggestions that I gave Tim -- that instead of keeping looking for handouts, that they develop independent sources to get information, whether they rather than depend on other people to cover the cost of what they want to do. And I hate seeing anybody who is dependent upon handouts from other people and try to encourage them to be as independent as possible. |
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