OFF TOPIC - the ladybug "lost" her mittens

lewmew wrote:

We have a local university affiliated hospital, but it takes so few
insurance carriers that even half of the University staff can't go
there to be treated as they are not on the "preferred provider"
directory.


How I wound up at the university hospital in the first place was that
our HMO was so oversubscribed that none of the doctors were taking new
patients.

In desperation, I called the HMO and was offered a doctor 45 miles this
way, or a doctor 45 miles that way, and when I pointed out that I don't
drive and couldn't get to either one of them, they said "we'll assign
you to a doctor at the university, because they by law have to take
every patient".

Apparently, that was how the HMO got away with being so oversubscribed,
was assigning people to the university doctors who would tell you
personally that they weren't taking new patients. Voila, you couldn't
complain to the Insurance Commission about them because they'd gotten
you a doctor who, once the insurance company assigned you, didn't have
the option of saying no.

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After 18 months of steroid shots & allergy meds, etc, because I had hives
all over my body that were 3-5 inches across (each one) & having a reaction
to Bactrim years ago that almost killed me, I won't even take the chance.
The reaction is too unusual & too severe, & my allergist says 'uhuh' On the
other hand, since we took all that out of the house, etc, the hives are
gone. Same thing w/ the toothpaste - I constantly had mouth sores, but now
I just buy something different from dh & use it. Luckily most people don' t
have to be so extreme, but after all i went through, it's just not worth it.

-cocoa
"ellice" wrote in message
...
On 2/9/07 4:15 PM, "T Michelle Jensen" wrote:

And handwashing with plain soap for 30 seconds is just as effective as
most
of these 'antibacterial' cleansers (not the alcohol based ones). Most of
the antibacterial stuff that is sold - soap, anti-plaque toothpaste,
etc. -
has a single active ingredient - triclosan. Guess what? It's an old
sulfa
drug - very dangerous for people like me who didn't know that, but is
deadly
allergic to sulfa. I don't even get the 'normal' anaphylactic reaction -
no, it makes my blood stop clotting & I start bleeding - EVERYWHERE!!!!!
I
now carry purell or some other alcohol-based stuff iwth me because so
many
places have anti-bacterial stuff in the bathrooms & so i can't wash my
hands
there.

True - actually - if you actually soap and smush between the fingers, I
think the standard is 20 secs - with good friction - that kills stuff. The
hospitals use all different kinds of stuff. I think the reason for the
foams is so that you don't forget and can quickly wash as you leave the
room. The other point - especially if you use things like Purell, or
other
non-water needing anti-bac instant cleanser - you should still wash your
hands with water a.s.a.p.

It's interesting that just from a topical contact you'd have that kind of
reaction - unless you ingest it through a cut or mucous membrane that is
really, really odd. Or is that just your reaction to sulfanomides and by
extension you're assuming that will happen if you contact triclosan? I'm
pretty allergic to sulfanomides, and their chemical relatives (as in even
to
medications with a minor percentage of some derivative), but I've never
had
a problem with triclosan. OTOH, I don't have it in contact for very long.
Just curious.

Ellice

"ellice" wrote in message
...
On 2/9/07 2:08 PM, "lucretia borgia"
wrote:

"T Michelle Jensen" ,in
rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
Part of this too has to do with our society's insistence on 'curing'
every
little sniffle & cough. So many people run to the doctor when they
get
a
temp. over 98.7 & demand antibiotics 'just in case' and with our
parents
sterilizing everything and then on top of it, we are constantly trying
to
destroy every bug in existence - nowadays the only ones left are
resistant
to almost everything, and our immune systems have never had a chance
to
actually develop.


Bang the drum, there's another idiot like me! The other baaad thing,
is being in hospital. They are very dangerous places now, rampant
with infection. Is it because the bugs are bigger or better ? No !
It's because they do not make nurses and doctors wash their hands
properly anymore !!!!

Maybe in Canada the handwashing thing is a problem (though I'd be
surprised
if it's much different than here), but here it's quite the opposite.
Protocols, and trust me - or not - if you don't follow them and anyone
supervisory or on your team sees you not, you'll definitely hear about
it,
are very strict about handwashing. US Hospitals are full of handwashing
stations. There is antiseptic waterless washing foam now being
installed
in
patient rooms - newer or more recently updated places - have them by the
door in every patient room. There are similar stations all over any
floor,
as well as regular sinks with soap that is used with water. A couple
of
the hospitals I've been doing clinicals in, or bringing patients to also
have switched to the automatic towel dispensers. It is drummed into
everyone in the health care profession to wash their hands. In point of
fact, they've actually gone away from using gloves all the time - unless
there is of course a bodily fluid issue - therefore making it very clear
to
wash your hands after every patient contact. Even if you are wearing
gloves
for a procedure - it's still wash your hands. And there are huge
canisters
or dispensers with special antiseptic wipes at all the washing stations,
nurses stations, etc. So, I end up wiping down all kinds of things that
end
up on counters - from charts or clipboards, to stethoscopes, etc. For
ambulance crews, in continuing ed things - we get lots of notices in the
professional journals, etc - they're reminding us not just the
handwashing
thing, but also to remember to wipe your duty shoes off with the special
wipes. I'm sure that personally I and my crewmates likely wash our
hands
anywhere from 20-50 times in a 4 hour shift at the hospital. And in my
12
hour shifts it's got to be lots more - for real, after every patient
contact. And with some before. There is some thinking taught that
doctors
or caregivers should wash their hands when they enter to do an exam -
that
way the patient is assured it's been done. I know a bunch that do
that -
while doing the introductory talk. Self included in the hospital. On
the
ambulance it's not an issue. We joke that you can tell the not normally
EMS
types - as in when police or guys from the engine help - they've always
got
gloves on before doing anything - even seeing a patient. Because of all
the
latex allergies - it's better not to glove unless it's needed.

Health care practitioners nowadays probably wash their hands close to 2
orders of magnitude more than they did 10-15-20 years ago. With the
abundance of handwashing stations all over a hospital or clinic, the new
rules about availability of such, and the constant reminders to do suc -
that's not the problem.

But it is true - hospitals by nature have a lot of things going on in
them.
But, diseases that are virulently contagious in air tend to be contained
in
quarantine areas with double sets of doors, and all the caregivers
having
to
gown/mask in disposable stuff that doesn't come out into the general
traffic
areas.

Personally, I'm going through more hand cream this winter than I care to
think about - all that handwashing ;^)

ellice

In case you can`t use regular soaps etc,,,
Mouth wash with
Salt +water .
Lemon+water ,
Cammomile tea

Hand wash with
Lemon peels,
Orange peels,
Clean sand
alcohol . cammomile tea
Some drops of `MILTON` in water.
mirjam
After 18 months of steroid shots & allergy meds, etc, because I had hives
all over my body that were 3-5 inches across (each one) & having a reaction
to Bactrim years ago that almost killed me, I won't even take the chance.
The reaction is too unusual & too severe, & my allergist says 'uhuh' On the
other hand, since we took all that out of the house, etc, the hives are
gone. Same thing w/ the toothpaste - I constantly had mouth sores, but now
I just buy something different from dh & use it. Luckily most people don' t
have to be so extreme, but after all i went through, it's just not worth it.

-cocoa
"ellice" wrote in message
...
On 2/9/07 4:15 PM, "T Michelle Jensen" wrote:

And handwashing with plain soap for 30 seconds is just as effective as
most
of these 'antibacterial' cleansers (not the alcohol based ones). Most of
the antibacterial stuff that is sold - soap, anti-plaque toothpaste,
etc. -
has a single active ingredient - triclosan. Guess what? It's an old
sulfa
drug - very dangerous for people like me who didn't know that, but is
deadly
allergic to sulfa. I don't even get the 'normal' anaphylactic reaction -
no, it makes my blood stop clotting & I start bleeding - EVERYWHERE!!!!!
I
now carry purell or some other alcohol-based stuff iwth me because so
many
places have anti-bacterial stuff in the bathrooms & so i can't wash my
hands
there.

True - actually - if you actually soap and smush between the fingers, I
think the standard is 20 secs - with good friction - that kills stuff. The
hospitals use all different kinds of stuff. I think the reason for the
foams is so that you don't forget and can quickly wash as you leave the
room. The other point - especially if you use things like Purell, or
other
non-water needing anti-bac instant cleanser - you should still wash your
hands with water a.s.a.p.

It's interesting that just from a topical contact you'd have that kind of
reaction - unless you ingest it through a cut or mucous membrane that is
really, really odd. Or is that just your reaction to sulfanomides and by
extension you're assuming that will happen if you contact triclosan? I'm
pretty allergic to sulfanomides, and their chemical relatives (as in even
to
medications with a minor percentage of some derivative), but I've never
had
a problem with triclosan. OTOH, I don't have it in contact for very long.
Just curious.

Ellice

"ellice" wrote in message
...
On 2/9/07 2:08 PM, "lucretia borgia"
wrote:

"T Michelle Jensen" ,in
rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
Part of this too has to do with our society's insistence on 'curing'
every
little sniffle & cough. So many people run to the doctor when they
get
a
temp. over 98.7 & demand antibiotics 'just in case' and with our
parents
sterilizing everything and then on top of it, we are constantly trying
to
destroy every bug in existence - nowadays the only ones left are
resistant
to almost everything, and our immune systems have never had a chance
to
actually develop.


Bang the drum, there's another idiot like me! The other baaad thing,
is being in hospital. They are very dangerous places now, rampant
with infection. Is it because the bugs are bigger or better ? No !
It's because they do not make nurses and doctors wash their hands
properly anymore !!!!

Maybe in Canada the handwashing thing is a problem (though I'd be
surprised
if it's much different than here), but here it's quite the opposite.
Protocols, and trust me - or not - if you don't follow them and anyone
supervisory or on your team sees you not, you'll definitely hear about
it,
are very strict about handwashing. US Hospitals are full of handwashing
stations. There is antiseptic waterless washing foam now being
installed
in
patient rooms - newer or more recently updated places - have them by the
door in every patient room. There are similar stations all over any
floor,
as well as regular sinks with soap that is used with water. A couple
of
the hospitals I've been doing clinicals in, or bringing patients to also
have switched to the automatic towel dispensers. It is drummed into
everyone in the health care profession to wash their hands. In point of
fact, they've actually gone away from using gloves all the time - unless
there is of course a bodily fluid issue - therefore making it very clear
to
wash your hands after every patient contact. Even if you are wearing
gloves
for a procedure - it's still wash your hands. And there are huge
canisters
or dispensers with special antiseptic wipes at all the washing stations,
nurses stations, etc. So, I end up wiping down all kinds of things that
end
up on counters - from charts or clipboards, to stethoscopes, etc. For
ambulance crews, in continuing ed things - we get lots of notices in the
professional journals, etc - they're reminding us not just the
handwashing
thing, but also to remember to wipe your duty shoes off with the special
wipes. I'm sure that personally I and my crewmates likely wash our
hands
anywhere from 20-50 times in a 4 hour shift at the hospital. And in my
12
hour shifts it's got to be lots more - for real, after every patient
contact. And with some before. There is some thinking taught that
doctors
or caregivers should wash their hands when they enter to do an exam -
that
way the patient is assured it's been done. I know a bunch that do
that -
while doing the introductory talk. Self included in the hospital. On
the
ambulance it's not an issue. We joke that you can tell the not normally
EMS
types - as in when police or guys from the engine help - they've always
got
gloves on before doing anything - even seeing a patient. Because of all
the
latex allergies - it's better not to glove unless it's needed.

Health care practitioners nowadays probably wash their hands close to 2
orders of magnitude more than they did 10-15-20 years ago. With the
abundance of handwashing stations all over a hospital or clinic, the new
rules about availability of such, and the constant reminders to do suc -
that's not the problem.

But it is true - hospitals by nature have a lot of things going on in
them.
But, diseases that are virulently contagious in air tend to be contained
in
quarantine areas with double sets of doors, and all the caregivers
having
to
gown/mask in disposable stuff that doesn't come out into the general
traffic
areas.

Personally, I'm going through more hand cream this winter than I care to
think about - all that handwashing ;^)

ellice

Thanks for the tips!
-cocoa

'snip'