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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:21:57 -0500, Taria wrote
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BTW, if you hadn't noticed CA lawmakers by and large are idiots.

I think by and large a lot of politicans are idiots.

Maureen

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:18:32 -0500, Sherry wrote
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On Aug 22, 2:59*am, "Bobbie Sews More" wrote:
I saw on the USA news last night where CA had passed a law banning plastic
bags but I didn't catch just when this will start. *Do you already have your
re-useable bags ready? *When will it start?
Barbara in SC, wondering when other states will do the same, *and already
re-using cloth bags a lot

As much as I dislike anyone telling me what to do (just ask my dh)...I
think this is a really good idea. Our small town got a Dollar General
store back in January. It's only been eight months and the shrubbery
and roadsides are already blooming yellow bags.
I live on a state highway and I really, really get tired of picking up
other people's trash.
Sherry

I here you. Every.single.bit of trash that people dump in our alley when
they are walking from the convenience store to the large State office
buildings gets blown into our parking lot/yard.

Not to mention all the beer bottles/cans that people like to drop on Friday
and Saturday nights.

Just because you don't care what your neighborhood and yard looks like
doesn't mean that I share your feelings.

Maureen

Can you tell I am pretty frustrated with the political situation in CA? lol
I'm still looking for a kitchen trash
can liner solution that is not actually purchasing new bags.
Anybody have any suggestions there?
Taria
"Bobbie Sews More" wrote in message
m...
I agree with you about needing to use plastic bags to hold meat items. I
re-use the store bags to hold a newspaper, drug items, and other "dry"
things. I was also thinking about using the larger 3 gal baskets to hold
the cold and meat things. Yeah, there are a lot of people in government
who make the rules and do not think and reason things out. All towns and
states have to put up with that type of thinking.
Barbara in SC

More shopping at stores that still use the plastic bags??? Fabric
anyone? G

Of course DH says that maybe paper bags will come back more. He
prefers them to plastic.

Pati, in Phx

On Aug 23, 7:27*am, "Taria" wrote:
Can you tell I am pretty frustrated with the political situation in CA? *lol
I'm still looking for a kitchen trash
can liner solution that is not actually purchasing new bags.
Anybody have any suggestions there?
Taria
"Bobbie Sews More" wrote in messagenews:kIudnS2ch9vTye_RnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earth link.com...

I agree with you about needing to use plastic bags to hold meat items. *I
re-use the store bags to hold a newspaper, drug items, and other "dry"
things. *I was also thinking about using the larger 3 gal baskets to hold
the cold and meat things. *Yeah, there are a lot of people in government
who make the rules and do not think and reason things out. *All towns and
states have to put up with that type of thinking.
Barbara in SC

Guess I'm soooo lucky to live in Maine - after hearing the problems in
other states!
We have a Motto up he Re-duce, Re-Use, Re-Cycle.

All the grocery stores have a sign at their enterance - "Did you
remember to bring your re-usable bags?" And, to save your cloth bags,
they do put meat items into small plastic bags before putting them
into the cloth bags.
We also pay-per-bag for our garbage -- BUT we also have a bin we set
out on "trash day" that contains all recycle-able items (plastics,
paper, glass bottles - anything with a recycle-triangle on it) ....
and that gets picked up at no charge! Our city started doing that
when the landfill (town dump) started to get full. The dump also has
a re-use area where folks can bring items that they don't want to keep
but are still in good condition. Any resident can go there and browse
around and take whatever they want/need. My DH picked me up an old
1890s Singer SM once G !!!!

Maine passed a "Bottle Bill" years ago - stores charge a recycle fee
of 5 cents a can/bottle for soda/beer/alcohol bottles. When they're
empty, you take them back to the store and get your nickle(s) back!
There's always plenty of kids and adults who will go around picking up
the discarded cans/bottles from beaches, public places & streets....
they can make some extra money that way. After several years, the
soda companies started an expensive (millions $$$$$) campaign to get
the law overturned so they wouldn't have to take ultimate
responsibility for the containers..... It went to a ballot referendum
and the voters by a huge margin voted to keep the law in place!!! Our
streets/parks have been sooo much cleaner ever since.

Cannot comment (except in disgust) about those who ignorantly dispose
of diapers..... or let their dogs do "their thing" without picking it
up. (Maine has a poop-scoop law that requires dog owners to clean up
and properly dispose of the stuff.) Most public rest stops have a
"Pet Area" that has available plastic bags for pick up.

ME-Judy (now getting down off her soapbox G)
.....I also have a new email addy: mainejudy at gmail dot com

On Aug 23, 7:05*am, "Bobbie Sews More" wrote:
Sherry I live on a corner lot a block from *main street and many cars go by
and drop off soda and beer cans, and fast food sacks for me to pick up.
What is just as bad is where cars have parked close to a store with an
outside trash can, yet they won't walk the 20 feet to deposit a dirty diaper
or a bag with left over hamburger & fries.
Barbara

The town I live in was very small when I was in school and we used paper
bags to line trash cans. After I was married I used to use dull needles to
sew 4 layers of newspaper together for my trash bags. Also I have never had
very much trash to throw out, even when there were 3 of us and visiting
children.!
Barbara

For those of us living in most of Europe, it's hard to understand why
the US can't get with the program. Germany ran out of landfill
generations ago. There's a law requiring food retailers to accept ALL
packaging on whatever they sell, so every food store has containers
near the door for paper, plastic and batteries. Most people do take
the food home in whatever package it came in (although I have seen
people remove things like pizza cartons and take the frozen pizzas
home in only the inner plastic wrappers). But we pay according to the
size and number of our trash bins, so there's a big incentive to
recycle. Every neighborhood has recycling bins and/or a recycling
center to accept all manner of stuff. Everything in fact except
kitchen waste and certain plastics that aren't marked with the recycle
symbol. and people with gardens are encouraged to compost. My WEEKLY
trash after recycling fills one small bag. The truck comes round only
every 2 weeks, so they save money on collecting trash too.

And what happens to the recycled stuff? It's sold by the ton to
industry, to be turned into new plastic and cheap paper. the community
gets the profits, which helps reduce our property taxes.
Roberta in D, with 2 wicker baskets for shopping

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:35:15 -0700 (PDT), ME-Judy
wrote:

Guess I'm soooo lucky to live in Maine - after hearing the problems in
other states!
We have a Motto up he Re-duce, Re-Use, Re-Cycle.

All the grocery stores have a sign at their enterance - "Did you
remember to bring your re-usable bags?" And, to save your cloth bags,
they do put meat items into small plastic bags before putting them
into the cloth bags.
We also pay-per-bag for our garbage -- BUT we also have a bin we set
out on "trash day" that contains all recycle-able items (plastics,
paper, glass bottles - anything with a recycle-triangle on it) ....
and that gets picked up at no charge! Our city started doing that
when the landfill (town dump) started to get full. The dump also has
a re-use area where folks can bring items that they don't want to keep
but are still in good condition. Any resident can go there and browse
around and take whatever they want/need. My DH picked me up an old
1890s Singer SM once G !!!!

Maine passed a "Bottle Bill" years ago - stores charge a recycle fee
of 5 cents a can/bottle for soda/beer/alcohol bottles. When they're
empty, you take them back to the store and get your nickle(s) back!
There's always plenty of kids and adults who will go around picking up
the discarded cans/bottles from beaches, public places & streets....
they can make some extra money that way. After several years, the
soda companies started an expensive (millions $$$$$) campaign to get
the law overturned so they wouldn't have to take ultimate
responsibility for the containers..... It went to a ballot referendum
and the voters by a huge margin voted to keep the law in place!!! Our
streets/parks have been sooo much cleaner ever since.

Cannot comment (except in disgust) about those who ignorantly dispose
of diapers..... or let their dogs do "their thing" without picking it
up. (Maine has a poop-scoop law that requires dog owners to clean up
and properly dispose of the stuff.) Most public rest stops have a
"Pet Area" that has available plastic bags for pick up.

ME-Judy (now getting down off her soapbox G)
....I also have a new email addy: mainejudy at gmail dot com

On Aug 23, 7:05*am, "Bobbie Sews More" wrote:
Sherry I live on a corner lot a block from *main street and many cars go by
and drop off soda and beer cans, and fast food sacks for me to pick up.
What is just as bad is where cars have parked close to a store with an
outside trash can, yet they won't walk the 20 feet to deposit a dirty diaper
or a bag with left over hamburger & fries.
Barbara

Here we can put kitchen waste including meat, chicken bones etc. into
our garden rubbish bin and it goes for recycling into compost for the
garden. Our area has a newly constructed plant to deal with this.

We only have wheelie bins now thank goodness - the plastic sacks of old
were much loved by seagulls and foxes, and everyone uses their own bags
for shopping. The grocery stores all have their own cheap branded
re-usable bags by the tills for people who have forgotten theirs.

In other shops where purchases were previously put in their own branded
bags you are always asked if you need a bag. I always refuse one, but
being a place full of holiday-makers in the summer they are inclined to
make impulse buys more and haven't a bag with them.

I actually carry a couple of bags that fold up into tiny purses in my
handbag 'just in case'.

Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~uk
http://picasaweb.google.com/SallySeaside



Roberta wrote:
For those of us living in most of Europe, it's hard to understand why
the US can't get with the program. Germany ran out of landfill
generations ago. There's a law requiring food retailers to accept ALL
packaging on whatever they sell, so every food store has containers
near the door for paper, plastic and batteries. Most people do take
the food home in whatever package it came in (although I have seen
people remove things like pizza cartons and take the frozen pizzas
home in only the inner plastic wrappers). But we pay according to the
size and number of our trash bins, so there's a big incentive to
recycle. Every neighborhood has recycling bins and/or a recycling
center to accept all manner of stuff. Everything in fact except
kitchen waste and certain plastics that aren't marked with the recycle
symbol. and people with gardens are encouraged to compost. My WEEKLY
trash after recycling fills one small bag. The truck comes round only
every 2 weeks, so they save money on collecting trash too.

And what happens to the recycled stuff? It's sold by the ton to
industry, to be turned into new plastic and cheap paper. the community
gets the profits, which helps reduce our property taxes.
Roberta in D, with 2 wicker baskets for shopping

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:35:15 -0700 (PDT), ME-Judy
wrote:

Guess I'm soooo lucky to live in Maine - after hearing the problems in
other states!
We have a Motto up he Re-duce, Re-Use, Re-Cycle.

All the grocery stores have a sign at their enterance - "Did you
remember to bring your re-usable bags?" And, to save your cloth bags,
they do put meat items into small plastic bags before putting them
into the cloth bags.
We also pay-per-bag for our garbage -- BUT we also have a bin we set
out on "trash day" that contains all recycle-able items (plastics,
paper, glass bottles - anything with a recycle-triangle on it) ....
and that gets picked up at no charge! Our city started doing that
when the landfill (town dump) started to get full. The dump also has
a re-use area where folks can bring items that they don't want to keep
but are still in good condition. Any resident can go there and browse
around and take whatever they want/need. My DH picked me up an old
1890s Singer SM once G !!!!

Maine passed a "Bottle Bill" years ago - stores charge a recycle fee
of 5 cents a can/bottle for soda/beer/alcohol bottles. When they're
empty, you take them back to the store and get your nickle(s) back!
There's always plenty of kids and adults who will go around picking up
the discarded cans/bottles from beaches, public places & streets....
they can make some extra money that way. After several years, the
soda companies started an expensive (millions $$$$$) campaign to get
the law overturned so they wouldn't have to take ultimate
responsibility for the containers..... It went to a ballot referendum
and the voters by a huge margin voted to keep the law in place!!! Our
streets/parks have been sooo much cleaner ever since.

Cannot comment (except in disgust) about those who ignorantly dispose
of diapers..... or let their dogs do "their thing" without picking it
up. (Maine has a poop-scoop law that requires dog owners to clean up
and properly dispose of the stuff.) Most public rest stops have a
"Pet Area" that has available plastic bags for pick up.

ME-Judy (now getting down off her soapbox G)
....I also have a new email addy: mainejudy at gmail dot com

On Aug 23, 7:05 am, "Bobbie Sews More" wrote:
Sherry I live on a corner lot a block from main street and many cars go by
and drop off soda and beer cans, and fast food sacks for me to pick up.
What is just as bad is where cars have parked close to a store with an
outside trash can, yet they won't walk the 20 feet to deposit a dirty diaper
or a bag with left over hamburger & fries.
Barbara

I can fold one of the large store brand bags into my purse when I go
shopping. I'm leaving now to go walking and shopping at WalMart. I go
there to walk because the temp is the same and I can walk longer. I usually
see a grocery item I need. Today it is peanut butter.
Barbara

So how do you get this across to people that eat 'food' like Spaghettio's
and othe prepared stuff . Folks don't know how to feed themselves much less
take care of where they live. At least from what I see. : (
I think most communities in CA have to have a recycling program with reduced
numbers of 'stuff' going to landfills. There still is a lot. Many plastics
here just are not yet recycled. I suppose the larger areas we have help a
but there. The bottle recycling program works in that you pay more for cans
and bottles than they will pay you back. The extra monies they make is to
go for more recycling. I think I heard that the politicians raided the
extra funds for something else. The folks that do the 'picking' along the
roadsides here tend to just go for the cans since they make the money.
Glass and plastic not so much. People are by and large pretty wasteful. :
(
Taria