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Old February 10th 07, 07:02 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
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Default OT Hand washing, germs, etc was OFF TOPIC - the ladybug"lost" her mittens



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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:59:08 GMT
From: Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
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Subject: OT Hand washing, germs,
etc was OFF TOPIC - the ladybug "lost" her mittens

I have not seen your Original post T Micheele , but considering Anti
Bacterial stuff that is put into a lot of Foods , Immunization
injections, medicines and any parts that are put into our bodies [
false teeth , metal & acrylic `bones` etc] check a componnent called
Thiomersal. About 10-12 percent of people are alergic to that.
mirjam

On 2/9/07 4:15 PM, "T Michelle Jensen" wrote:

And handwashing with plain soap for 30 seconds is just as effective as most
of these 'antibacterial' cleansers (not the alcohol based ones). Most of
the antibacterial stuff that is sold - soap, anti-plaque toothpaste, etc. -
has a single active ingredient - triclosan. Guess what? It's an old sulfa
drug - very dangerous for people like me who didn't know that, but is deadly
allergic to sulfa. I don't even get the 'normal' anaphylactic reaction -
no, it makes my blood stop clotting & I start bleeding - EVERYWHERE!!!!! I
now carry purell or some other alcohol-based stuff iwth me because so many
places have anti-bacterial stuff in the bathrooms & so i can't wash my hands
there.


True - actually - if you actually soap and smush between the fingers, I
think the standard is 20 secs - with good friction - that kills stuff. The
hospitals use all different kinds of stuff. I think the reason for the
foams is so that you don't forget and can quickly wash as you leave the
room. The other point - especially if you use things like Purell, or other
non-water needing anti-bac instant cleanser - you should still wash your
hands with water a.s.a.p.

It's interesting that just from a topical contact you'd have that kind of
reaction - unless you ingest it through a cut or mucous membrane that is
really, really odd. Or is that just your reaction to sulfanomides and by
extension you're assuming that will happen if you contact triclosan? I'm
pretty allergic to sulfanomides, and their chemical relatives (as in even to
medications with a minor percentage of some derivative), but I've never had
a problem with triclosan. OTOH, I don't have it in contact for very long.
Just curious.

Ellice

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On 2/9/07 2:08 PM, "lucretia borgia" wrote:

"T Michelle Jensen" ,in
rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
Part of this too has to do with our society's insistence on 'curing'
every
little sniffle & cough. So many people run to the doctor when they get
a
temp. over 98.7 & demand antibiotics 'just in case' and with our parents
sterilizing everything and then on top of it, we are constantly trying
to
destroy every bug in existence - nowadays the only ones left are
resistant
to almost everything, and our immune systems have never had a chance to
actually develop.


Bang the drum, there's another idiot like me! The other baaad thing,
is being in hospital. They are very dangerous places now, rampant
with infection. Is it because the bugs are bigger or better ? No !
It's because they do not make nurses and doctors wash their hands
properly anymore !!!!

Maybe in Canada the handwashing thing is a problem (though I'd be
surprised
if it's much different than here), but here it's quite the opposite.
Protocols, and trust me - or not - if you don't follow them and anyone
supervisory or on your team sees you not, you'll definitely hear about it,
are very strict about handwashing. US Hospitals are full of handwashing
stations. There is antiseptic waterless washing foam now being installed
in
patient rooms - newer or more recently updated places - have them by the
door in every patient room. There are similar stations all over any
floor,
as well as regular sinks with soap that is used with water. A couple of
the hospitals I've been doing clinicals in, or bringing patients to also
have switched to the automatic towel dispensers. It is drummed into
everyone in the health care profession to wash their hands. In point of
fact, they've actually gone away from using gloves all the time - unless
there is of course a bodily fluid issue - therefore making it very clear
to
wash your hands after every patient contact. Even if you are wearing
gloves
for a procedure - it's still wash your hands. And there are huge
canisters
or dispensers with special antiseptic wipes at all the washing stations,
nurses stations, etc. So, I end up wiping down all kinds of things that
end
up on counters - from charts or clipboards, to stethoscopes, etc. For
ambulance crews, in continuing ed things - we get lots of notices in the
professional journals, etc - they're reminding us not just the handwashing
thing, but also to remember to wipe your duty shoes off with the special
wipes. I'm sure that personally I and my crewmates likely wash our hands
anywhere from 20-50 times in a 4 hour shift at the hospital. And in my 12
hour shifts it's got to be lots more - for real, after every patient
contact. And with some before. There is some thinking taught that
doctors
or caregivers should wash their hands when they enter to do an exam - that
way the patient is assured it's been done. I know a bunch that do that -
while doing the introductory talk. Self included in the hospital. On the
ambulance it's not an issue. We joke that you can tell the not normally
EMS
types - as in when police or guys from the engine help - they've always
got
gloves on before doing anything - even seeing a patient. Because of all
the
latex allergies - it's better not to glove unless it's needed.

Health care practitioners nowadays probably wash their hands close to 2
orders of magnitude more than they did 10-15-20 years ago. With the
abundance of handwashing stations all over a hospital or clinic, the new
rules about availability of such, and the constant reminders to do suc -
that's not the problem.

But it is true - hospitals by nature have a lot of things going on in
them.
But, diseases that are virulently contagious in air tend to be contained
in
quarantine areas with double sets of doors, and all the caregivers having
to
gown/mask in disposable stuff that doesn't come out into the general
traffic
areas.

Personally, I'm going through more hand cream this winter than I care to
think about - all that handwashing ;^)

ellice





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