"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:01:39 -0500, "Jinx Minx"
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I'm not Buddha, never said I was. Frustrated, not angry. Profanity?
A word I hear every day all the time? Hmmm. I don't wear white
gloves, sorry. Asian is a race of people. Israeli's are not part of
the Asian race. It is not just geography, there is an entirely
different culture which Asian RACE people have. Since you are
filtering me, so long. If you recall, the argument was Mirjam telling
me I was sub-human for having compassion for the pilots who drove into
the Twin Towers. Nobody says that to me without at least a heated
debate. Again, so long, I'm sorry, have a good life.

Victoria



Good lord, child, this is some of the most offensive diatribe I've ever
seen. My daughter doesn't have "slanty eyes" and has nothing in common
with your "Asian culture", yet she's every bit as "Asian" as someone from
China or Japan. When it comes time for her to apply for colleges and
jobs,
just what "race" box do you suggest she mark on her applications?

If she wants to mark her race she'd mark it as Asian. MY Asian
culture? Huh? So if she's as Asian as anyone else in Japan or China,
and if she was born of Asian raced parents, she'd be Asian. IN ASIA,
the culture is much superior to our American ineptitude and to
understand most of their concepts. There's also a box she can check
if she doesn't want to mark her race down. What did I say about YOUR
daughter or "slanty eyes?" That was your term.

No, slanty eyes is not my term. You told Mirjam she wasn't Asian because
she didn't have slanty eyes. Whether my daughter opts for the "choose not
to respond" checkbox is irrelevant to the point at hand.

I seriously want to know. Although YOU may not consider Israelis "Asian"
by
"race", the rest of the (more enlightened) world does. Ask ANY Israeli,
Pakistani, or (East) Indian what "race" they are, and they will all answer
Asian. My daughter, by the way, is not Israeli.

Oh I don't think so. If we had to give a race to Israeli people it
would be caucsaian. It's the middle east.

"If we had to give a race to Israeli people"?? What the hell kind of
bull**** is that?! Are they born raceless? And who are YOU to decide they
would be caucasian?! That's absolutely priceless!! LMAO

First you said your
daughter is Asian, now you say she isn't Israeli. What does that have
to do with this debate?

By example, it has everything to do with this debate, which just further
proves how much you don't "get" it.

I am not enlightened and there is no such
thing as "more enlightened." You either are, or aren't.

Oh, ok---more "philosophically mature".

What do you
call Arabs; Asians? By your debate angle, all N. Americans would be
considered N. American.

Another example of how clueless you are. North American isn't a race,
which is the discussion at hand.

I wonder what the tens of millions of
Mexican's would say about that. They are Latino and even If a
Latino/Latina were born in N. America, including Mexico they'd still
be Mexican decent, and if I said that to any Mexican friend of mine
they'd agree. There are probably 140,000 Mexican people living in my
city of 600,000 people. I think I know Mexican people. My friend
Gloria is a PhD at UT and she teaches sociology. She's brilliant,
Buddhist, way farther along the path than I and she sees herself as
indigenous Mexican. Further, in her research there may be something
to say about before he continents divided that, indigenous Mexican
peoples have perhaps a bit of Asian features. Some Mexican people
look Tibetan, even to our resident Geshe (a monk who has a PhD in
Buddhist theology after spending 23 years of studying and memorizing
more texts than I've read in my entire life).

You're only proving my point, not yours.

How do you define who belongs to the "caucasian" race or the "African
American" race for that matter? And why do Americans get to define it
for
the rest of the world? "Race" encompasses more than just physical
characteristics and color. Furthermore, your "Asian culture" isn't a
singular way of being. Chinese "culture" is different from Japanese, is
different from Vietnamese is different from Tibetan. Ethnocentric
attitudes
like yours are exactly why the rest of the world hates us. And burkas
don't come from "overpopulation".

Jinx

Are you kidding me? You don't know how I'd be able to determine
caucasian from African (talking about people of color now, not the
caucasians from Africa, then they are caucasians, so yes of course by
color. Are you one of those who say you don't see color? Sorry, I
see color and there is something very offensive about saying you can't
see differences. When differences are okay to see, the world will
change.

I never, ever said or even hinted that I don't see color differences. And I
probably know a lot more about them than you.

I've heard people calling Asians from China, Japan, etc.
"oriental" and that is offensive to them. Oriental refers to objects,
not people. American Asians call themselves Asians. Israeli's call
themselves Israeli, not Asian so this discussion is so ridiculous I
can't believe I am in it still.

Hey, you started the discussion on what constitutes Asian race and culture,
not anyone else. Yes, Israelis call themselves Israeli because of
citizenship or culture, but it isn't their "race". Mirjam and I have had
our differences, but how dare you tell her she's not Asian because YOU
define it so!!

Further, I will go out on the limb
and say there are quite possibly more Israeli's in America, New York
in particular, than there are in Israel.

So what? That doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Oh wait, my mother is a Jew. Does that make me Israeli? I mean
Asian. I mean, what do I mean? Give me a break.

What a clueless **** you are. Give US a break.

Culturally speaking, China, Japan, let's call it the Pacific Rim
(sheesh), they do have somewhat similar customs or should I say
traditions where we have a big blotch of ill fated BS (so your tender
eyes won't see a commonly used word in slang all across the land).

I don't have tender eyes. I couldn't give a f* what words you use as long
as you use them correctly.

We could take a good lesson from the PACIFIC RIM Asians who have utter
respect for their elders and the whole family takes care of one
another and they also have their attrocities as well. Israeli people
also share this tradition, most of the time, not all. I like their
(China's) remedy of one child only, but their hill toward having boys
and leaving girls out to whatever happens (in some not all cases). We
could stand to adopt some of those traditions to lower our poisonous
world, Asia included.

Ethnocentric attitudes? The world hates us for our brazen, obnoxious
people like YOU perhaps, who make believe there are no differences in
the human race.

Once again, I never, ever said or implied that I don't see differences in
the human race. The only obnoxious person in this debate is you.

Yes, it is all one human race, many of us are very
different. Unless you've lived in any of the countries mentioned or
even traveled to any of them and stayed long enough to learn the
customs and traditions, you cannot say for sure what their differences
are. If you have your PhD in sociology, you may have some cred, but
unless you have experience with having immigrants of these cultures
ascimillating into our dumb ways in 'merka (as our monkey mind
president calls it) you cannot prove anything you say.

Well actually, my degrees are in anthropology and South Asian Studies, so
yes, I do know a thing or two about definitions of race and culture,
especially those pertaining to ASIANS. Where's your cred?

I can't
either. This is a debate. Stop with all this offense. If you were
balanced NOBODY could ever offend you.

Regarding your spew as offensive is not the same thing as being offended.
The only unbalanced one here is you. You're a kook, and every time you open
your big mouth you prove it more and more.

The people who I love the most are from China, Tibet, Nepal, and
Bhutan, India, etc. They are all called Asian. I said nothing about
"slanty eyes." That was your slanader.

No it wasn't, dimwit. It was yours.

If you are offended, do yourself a favor and ignore me. It's very
easy to do. I still can't believe you don't think overpopulation can
create conditions where fundamentalism becomes hostile.

One last thing, I am part Russian and wouldn't call myself Asian in
any shape, way or manner. I am caucasian with Russian and Italian
descent.

Unless you want to hold a debate where others don't always say
everything you want them to say as not to offend you (which is
impossible anyway) maybe this should be the final words we should
have.

Impossible? I never said I was offended. I said your diatribe was
offensive. Everything you've said about race, culture and what the rest of
the world thinks is wrong, woefully so. I'm just calling you it. Go ahead
and call for final words--it's only because you know you're wrong and you
can only dig yourself further into the hole you crawled out of recently.

You want to be offended? Look at what Donald Rumsfeld told the
American sheep. Now you will have a more specific reason why the
world hates us.


Victoria

BAAAA!!!
Jinx