art or craft
 

Is what we do an art or a craft?

Was to a local "art" show this summer and kinda came away ticked
off. All the oil paintings and watercolours were in the art tents,
whilst all the stained glass was shuffled off to the craft tents.

Admittidly, Aunt Martha's 13 piece rooster made into a garden stake
is a long way from "art", but Uncle Bill's 375 piece parrot on a
branch is a long way from a craft.

At what point does a craft become an art?
At what point is art considered a craft?

Are candle boxes and 9 piece suncatchers art or craft?

Is a 28 piece lampshade art? Is a 700 piece tiffany lampshade a
craft?

What differentiates an art from a craft?

Is the intended use of the end product the difference between art
and craft? Art is created for the sake of creation while craft is
create for a profit?

art or craft
 

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Is what we do an art or a craft?



99% is craft. Most use storebought patterns, and follow a line. Some have
the ability to raise it to an art, when they have a vision of an end product
that's somehow new and different. This in no way should diminish what you
do.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

art or craft
 

On 14 Dec, 15:00, wrote:
Is what we do an art or a craft?

What we "do" is work in a particular medium. What we use that medium
for determines whether the result is "art" or "craft"

art or craft
 

(Art, Artist ... one who practises fine art, especially painting ; one who
makes his craft fine art;)

I call myself an artist / craftperson, I do painting, sculpture, pottery,
and other works of art/craft, but they are one off items
so fine art.
But yes I get very annoyed when my art gets lumbered in just as craft, and
not as art.
You see I believe it is the art of the craftperson, for we all have to know
our craft.
Elaine.

art or craft
 

Fair enough, I can see that using a store bought pattern makes it
a craft. In one sense, using a store bought pattern compares somewhat
to a paint by number set, although the actual work, or craft, entails
much more effort.

But, as far as using a pattern, do many artists not do a
preliminary sketch either in rough or on the actual canvas, and then
build on it? (i'm not an painter or drawer so I'm just guessing that
they do a preliminary). is this pretty not much the same as the
patterns we use?

How much originality does an "artist" who displays 15 paintings,
all variations on one theme, show?

How many vases full of roses, or daisies, or geraniums, or
petunias, or lilacs, or dandelions must one see before the originality
wears off? How many wolves standing knee deep in snow, howling
against a backdrop of bare trees and sombre sky must be created before
the idea or theme is no longer original?

And I do agree with you, whatever it's called, it should not demean
our efforts. I suppose "art" is in the eye of the beholder?



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:56:56 GMT, "Glassman@work"
wrote:


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Is what we do an art or a craft?



99% is craft. Most use storebought patterns, and follow a line. Some have
the ability to raise it to an art, when they have a vision of an end product
that's somehow new and different. This in no way should diminish what you
do.

art or craft
 

Okay Frank, how does our *use* of the medium determine whether
it's deemed art or craft? Making 5 nearly identical panels for sale
is craft or art?

Dennis Brady, a gentleman who's presence here isn't overly welcomed
by many, produces a varied line of stained glass sailing ships. I can
honestly say I've never seen that done elsewhere. Ergo, to me at
least, it's original. However, he does it with a commercial bias, he's
only in it for the money. Is he an artist or a craftsperson?



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:24:34 -0800 (PST), Frank in UK
wrote:

On 14 Dec, 15:00, wrote:
Is what we do an art or a craft?

What we "do" is work in a particular medium. What we use that medium
for determines whether the result is "art" or "craft"

art or craft
 

Grin, most of my own designs fall into the later designation
Steve. Not craft, not art, but crap. Hell, I couldn't draw flies if I
was covered in s.....sugar.

As far as the paint by numbers, I'm sure they were there, but the
"artiists" of these fine masterpieces had the foresight to make sure
to put extra paint over the numbers so they couldn't be seen. Damn
crafty move if you ask me . . .

True enough, I suppose the intricacy or detail isn't a concern.
There is stunning work in all mediums, and the detail, or lack of, is
often part of the magic of the art.

If we use the criteria of "designing it yourself" as the calling
card to art, I can kind of agree to that to a degree. However, if I
design a vase of roses, regardless of how I lay the pattern out, 3,
5, 7, or 11 roses, isn't the whole theme rather stale? Do I not lose
on the originality aspect and revert back to a craft?

Grin, are there any "original" ideas left?

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:38 -0500, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Fri, 14 Dec 2007
10:00:55 -0500, , wrote:

Is what we do an art or a craft?

If you follow someone else's pattern, it's craft.
If you design your own, it might be art... or it might
be crap. ;-)

Was to a local "art" show this summer and kinda came away ticked
off. All the oil paintings and watercolours were in the art tents,

Were the paint-by-numbers in the art tent as well?

Is a 28 piece lampshade art? Is a 700 piece tiffany lampshade a
craft?

The intricacy or amount of time it takes isn't a
determining factor.
Is a paint-by-number kit with 128 colors, and 1024
separate areas any more art than the one with 12 colors
and 100 areas?

What differentiates an art from a craft?

Whether you designed it or not is the primary criteria.

Is the intended use of the end product the difference between art
and craft?

No.

Art is created for the sake of creation while craft is
create for a profit?

No. Art is created. Craft is recreated.

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Sounds like you kinda agree with Steve, and I do like your outlook
on it. We learn and practice our craft, so we can produce our art,
so long as we step it up from reproducing pre-drawn patterns.

Kind of a neat and succinct definition.

As far as glass crafts being lumped into the craft tents at art
shows and exhibits, I'd dare say it's more of a practical
organizational decision on behalf of the oranizers. Most of the glass
booths at the exhibit that originally brought this topic up, were
trying to sell suncatchers and trinkets buy the dozens. There wasn't
one booth where I didn't recognize patterns released by Spectrum and
other popular pattern publishers. Of the 6 or so booths, there was
only one, in my opinion, that actually had original art on display,
for display's sake, and at that, she too was peddling the popular
trinkets and such.



On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:45:53 +1000, "Elaine Coggins"
wrote:

(Art, Artist ... one who practises fine art, especially painting ; one who
makes his craft fine art;)

I call myself an artist / craftperson, I do painting, sculpture, pottery,
and other works of art/craft, but they are one off items
so fine art.
But yes I get very annoyed when my art gets lumbered in just as craft, and
not as art.
You see I believe it is the art of the craftperson, for we all have to know
our craft.
Elaine.

art or craft
 

art or craft
 

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Dennis Brady, a gentleman who's presence here isn't overly welcomed
by many, produces a varied line of stained glass sailing ships. I can
honestly say I've never seen that done elsewhere. Ergo, to me at
least, it's original. However, he does it with a commercial bias, he's
only in it for the money. Is he an artist or a craftsperson?

Charlatan.