New Newsgroup
 

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

& http://halebobb.com

New Newsgroup
 

Frosty wrote:
Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.


That must be a typo, I'm sure you meant to say Real bull****; No debate.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

New Newsgroup
 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/

New Newsgroup
 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:54:42 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "Marilee J. Layman"
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.

Yes, and that board's mention is merely part of his sig file. I think what he's
referring to was the other newsgroup to which the post was, as suggested by his
first sentence, cross posted to, alt.rec.crafts.jewelry.

I haven't checked to see whether there is in fact such a group, and wonder what
steps the poster has taken to get one established. Alt groups are easierto get
started than groups in the big eight hierarchies, but it takes certain formal
steps to do. And then, presumably, one needs people to take advantage ofit in
order for it to amount to anything useful.

In the case of this alt group, if it becomes established and known, it might be
useful, or might suffer the fate this group seemed headed for when users voted
to have it converted into a moderated group back in '97, and that was an ever
increasing flood of advertising. Back then, ebay wasn't what it is now, and
I'll bet if this alt group does indeed get established, it will quickly become
little more than an advertising board for ebay ads. or maybe not. perhaps
I'm being too much of a cynic.

cheers

Peter

New Newsgroup
 

On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:03:11 GMT, an entity identified as
"Peter W.. Rowe," proudly
proclaimed:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:54:42 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "Marilee J. Layman"
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.

Yes, and that board's mention is merely part of his sig file. I think what he's
referring to was the other newsgroup to which the post was, as suggestedby his
first sentence, cross posted to, alt.rec.crafts.jewelry.

True.

I haven't checked to see whether there is in fact such a group, and wonder what
steps the poster has taken to get one established. Alt groups are easier to get
started than groups in the big eight hierarchies, but it takes certain formal
steps to do. And then, presumably, one needs people to take advantage of it in
order for it to amount to anything useful.

I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.


In the case of this alt group, if it becomes established and known, it might be
useful, or might suffer the fate this group seemed headed for when usersvoted
to have it converted into a moderated group back in '97, and that was anever
increasing flood of advertising. Back then, ebay wasn't what it is now,and
I'll bet if this alt group does indeed get established, it will quickly become
little more than an advertising board for ebay ads. or maybe not. perhaps
I'm being too much of a cynic.

No, you're probably correct.
It's be a place with lots of spam. Such is the nature of the
alt.hierachy.
But that's what ~*PLONK*~ filters are for.
cheers

Peter

SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.(OK, well maybe a little.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

& http://halebobb.com

New Newsgroup
 

On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:54:57 GMT, an entity identified as
Abrasha proudly proclaimed:

Frosty wrote:
Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me. :)


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.


That must be a typo, I'm sure you meant to say Real bull****; No debate.

You are correct. Lately there has been a lot of bull**** and very
little debate. Maybe some of you smart guys will join and tell us all
how wrong we are. :-)

--

Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis
potiri potes!

New Newsgroup
 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty
wrote:


I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.

While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your
task is to convince news administrators to carry it on their servers. That's
the hard part. You may need to send that control message several times. And it
will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify
the proposed new group on alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework
to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not just your own, if
you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group get posted
there. it will help in convincing other news admins that there is indeed
traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the group.

Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the
Alt heirarchy, you still have to jump through the human loops of getting news
admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on board.
It's not as automatic as one might wish.

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace,
alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry, and perhaps others I'm not awareof,
for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, though it's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of
rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the busier and more useful newsgroups outthere
(well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even set
up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many more skill
sets to be found there...)

peter

New Newsgroup
 

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote:

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry

I know lots of people post there anyway, but pdaxs is a local Portland
Oregon group.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/

New Newsgroup
 

Frosty wrote:

On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, an entity identified as
"Peter W.. Rowe," proudly
proclaimed:


On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty
wrote:


I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.

While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your
task is to convince news administrators to carry it on their servers. That's
the hard part. You may need to send that control message several times. And it
will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify
the proposed new group on alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework
to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not just your own, if
you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group getposted
there. it will help in convincing other news admins that there is indeed
traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the group.

Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the
Alt heirarchy, you still have to jump through the human loops of getting news
admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on board.
It's not as automatic as one might wish.

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace,
alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry, and perhaps others I'm not aware of,
for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, thoughit's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of
rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the busier and more useful newsgroups out there
(well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even set
up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many moreskill
sets to be found there...)

peter


I understand what you're saying, but actually humans really are not
needed to create an alt group.
I've created hundreds of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even
some new hierarchies.
Alt.config is a joke.
Those idiots on there play god. They can't even rm a newsgroup and
make it stick.
BTW, my nntp server probably won't pick up the new group without me
requesting it, but I know I can create ng's from it.
My latest was alt.politics.libertarian.free-state-project
and this is a hierarchy I recently created
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/firesign/
You can dig around in here to see who made which groups when.
ftp://ftp.isc.org/

Here's what it says about the creation of this newsgroup:


From Tue Mar 15 11:20:53 1994
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path: uunet!tale
From: (David C Lawrence)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Approved:
Sender: (David C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:31:34 GMT
Message-ID:
Lines: 12
Xref: uunet control:880773

rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for
creation by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar
1994.

For your newsgroups file:
rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making and lapidary
work.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of gems,
gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops,
displays, sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be
gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at '.

From Fri Aug 19 13:23:12 1994
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path: uunet!tale
From: (David C Lawrence)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Approved:
Sender: (David C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:23:34 GMT
Message-ID:
Lines: 12
Xref: uunet control:1137772

rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for
creation by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar
1994.

For your newsgroups file:
rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making and lapidary
work.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of gems,
gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops,
displays, sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be
gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at '.

From Tue Jun 27 02:13:14 1995
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path:
uunet!tcsi.tcs.com!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ga tech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!bbnews!rsvl_n s!ernie!bert
From: (Bert Hyman)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y
Message-ID:
Approved:
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:41:36 GMT
Distribution: unisys
Organization: Unisys
Lines: 3
Xref: uunet control:2197207



So, we missed out 12th anniv. last March 15th?

DANG!

Carl


--
to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)

New Newsgroup
 

Frosty wrote:
On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, an entity identified as
"Peter W.. Rowe," proudly
proclaimed:


On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty
wrote:


I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.

While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your
task is to convince news administrators to carry it on their servers. That's
the hard part. You may need to send that control message several times. And it
will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify
the proposed new group on alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework
to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not just your own, if
you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group getposted
there. it will help in convincing other news admins that there is indeed
traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the group.

Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the
Alt heirarchy, you still have to jump through the human loops of getting news
admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on board.
It's not as automatic as one might wish.

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace,
alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry, and perhaps others I'm not aware of,
for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, thoughit's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of
rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the busier and more useful newsgroups out there
(well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even set
up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many moreskill
sets to be found there...)

peter


I understand what you're saying, but actually humans really are not
needed to create an alt group.
I've created hundreds of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even
some new hierarchies.
Alt.config is a joke.
Those idiots on there play god. They can't even rm a newsgroup and
make it stick.
BTW, my nntp server probably won't pick up the new group without me
requesting it, but I know I can create ng's from it.
My latest was alt.politics.libertarian.free-state-project
and this is a hierarchy I recently created
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/firesign/
You can dig around in here to see who made which groups when.
ftp://ftp.isc.org/

Here's what it says about the creation of this newsgroup:


From Tue Mar 15 11:20:53 1994
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path: uunet!tale
From: (David C Lawrence)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Approved:
Sender: (David C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:31:34 GMT
Message-ID:
Lines: 12

rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for
creation by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar
1994.

For your newsgroups file:
rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making and lapidary
work.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of gems,
gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops,
displays, sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be
gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at '.

From Fri Aug 19 13:23:12 1994
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path: uunet!tale
From: (David C Lawrence)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Approved:
Sender: (David C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:23:34 GMT
Message-ID:
Lines: 12

rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for
creation by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar
1994.

For your newsgroups file:
rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making and lapidary
work.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of gems,
gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops,
displays, sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be
gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at '.

From Tue Jun 27 02:13:14 1995
Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path:
uunet!tcsi.tcs.com!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ga tech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!bbnews!rsvl_n s!ernie!bert
From: (Bert Hyman)
Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y
Message-ID:
Approved:
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:41:36 GMT
Distribution: unisys
Organization: Unisys
Lines: 3



Wow,

What a post 161KB, the largest post in the history of this newsgoup.
Congratulations!

"I've created hundreds of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even some new
hierarchies. Alt.config is a joke. ..."

Real bull****; No debate.

I rest my case.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com