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Peter Lowrie January 26th 10 01:03 AM

what is this watch
 
Here's a long-shot

Despite months of searching, even at the Cyma website, I have not been able
to find information about my watch. It's a CYMA Rubisaphir, gold, onyx and
diamond mens dress/formal digital chronometer.

I've put it up for auction on ebay for a fraction of it's value in the hope
I may find information. No such luck.

Here's a link:
www.ebay.com auction number 170434833785

Any information will be readily absorbed in this forum, thank you.

:-} Peter



Abrasha January 26th 10 07:27 PM

what is this watch
 
Peter Lowrie wrote:
Here's a long-shot

Despite months of searching, even at the Cyma website, I have not been able
to find information about my watch. It's a CYMA Rubisaphir, gold, onyx and
diamond mens dress/formal digital chronometer.

I've put it up for auction on ebay for a fraction of it's value in the hope
I may find information. No such luck.

Here's a link:
www.ebay.com auction number 170434833785

Any information will be readily absorbed in this forum, thank you.

:-} Peter



I quote from the auction: "Only a couple of hundred were made.
Information on it is hard to come by."

If "information is hard to come by", how do you know that "only a couple
of hundred were made"? What is the source of that information?

I would think that a watch on auction with a starting bid of $8,999.00
(cute figure), and a reserve to boot, would have some information available.

And than you make this claim: "an old 286 computer with SCSI hard
disks". SCSI was never used on 286 computers. This was the domain of
Apple.

The 286 microprocessor was introduced by Intel in 1982, followed by the
386 in 1985.

SCSI was not commonly used until after its standardization in 1986, and
has been commonly used in the Amiga, Apple Macintosh and Sun
Microsystems computer lines and PC server systems. Never in a 286 machine.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Peter W. Rowe[_2_] January 26th 10 07:49 PM

what is this watch
 
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:03:50 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Peter Lowrie
wrote:

Here's a long-shot

Despite months of searching, even at the Cyma website, I have not been able
to find information about my watch. It's a CYMA Rubisaphir, gold, onyx and
diamond mens dress/formal digital chronometer.

I've put it up for auction on ebay for a fraction of it's value in the hope
I may find information. No such luck.


First off, I'm NOT an expert in watches. Just a long time goldsmith who's seen
a few over the years. But I note a couple of things from your ebay listing and
the watch in general that makes me skeptical of your value estimate.

One is that it's a quartz watch. Some quartz watches can indeed command high
prices, but not generally on the basis of valuable movements. Quartz movements
at most seem to be worth a couple hundred dollars, and most are cheaper than
that. This is in contrast to those mechanical watches with complex movements,
sometimes hand made, that can be worth thousands or tens of thousands based on
the rarity of the movements alone. To boot, your watch's movement is a simple
date and time. Not more complex with, for example, stop watch, or other
precision functions. Not a premium movement from the looks of it, at least not
that's apparent to me. So if your watch is worth a whole lot, it will be based
on the case, it's design, materials, etc. This still might be valuable, but
then I note that in your auction description, you say it's "rolled gold". That
is the same, almost, as gold filled, meaning gold parts are a fairly thin layer
over base metal, rather than sold karat gold. And though it's got diamonds in
the dial, it's only a few, and possibly small ones. I've seen plenty of watches
with these apparent features that are worth not more than a couple hundred or
less, based on the materials and workmanship.

So then. About the only things remaining that might make this worth thousands
would be the Cyma name, and your stated rarity of this design. In a quick
google search of the Cyma name, I find many for sale in the couple hundred
dollar range, in addition to those for same for thousands. Most of the latter
have solid gold cases, or a lot more diamonds. Not those with simple functions,
a steel case with a bit of rolled gold ornamentation and a couple small diamonds
that then have high prices.

Still, this could be valuable, if, as you say, it's design and rarity make it
worth a lot on those factors alone. But I can't say that the design seems
especially unusual to me. So rarity of the design then?

Where did you get the supposed value of many thousands of dollars? From the
gent who so cavalierly gave it to you?

I'm kind of guessing you got scammed, just a bit. He paid your fee, so he
didn't rip you off. But I'm thinking he gave you his fairly ordinary watch and
overstated it's collectable value. Maybe he believed it, maybe not. But common
sense suggests to me that if this were highly collectable and valuable, you'd be
able to find some documentation to that effect somewhere.

Personally, if you offered me the watch for fifty bucks, I'd pass it up. Perhaps
I'd be stupid to do so, but that's what it looks like to me. Keep in mind that
as I said, I'm NOT an expert in watches. But I do know a bit about jewelry and
what normally makes it valuable or not...

By the way, this newsgroup is mostly devoted to the craft of jewelry making.
(silversmithing, goldsmithing, etc.) You might find more folks who know more
about watches if you try a newsgroup aimed at horology.

Also, just an aside, you say you placed that ad on ebay in an attempt to get
information about the watch. If that's the case, then why does your ebay ad not
actually ask for information? All it seems to be to me, is an attempt to sell
the watch. No where do you ask if anyone knows more about it.

I don't suppose, just maybe, that your post here on r.c.j. was an attempt to
advertise your ebay auction? Good luck with that. Such ads are not allowed,
and I seriously doubt that any of the several dozen regular readers of this
newsgroup would be interested. I allowed your post just on the chance that you
are sincere in your desire for more info on the watch. but please do be aware
that this is a "no advertising" group.

hope this helps

Peter Rowe
moderator, rec.crafts.jewelry

Flannan February 22nd 10 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Lowrie (Post 851347)
Here's a long-shot

Despite months of searching, even at the Cyma website, I have not been able
to find information about my watch. It's a CYMA Rubisaphir, gold, onyx and
diamond mens dress/formal digital chronometer.

I've put it up for auction on ebay for a fraction of it's value in the hope
I may find information. No such luck.

Here's a link:
www.ebay.com auction number 170434833785

Any information will be readily absorbed in this forum, thank you.

:-} Peter

me neither that is a one of a kind watch. valerie


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